Tournaments are a thing!

I just wanted to give a heads up!

read here
Right now I'm working on a tourney simulator. I have the swiss robin round figured out, but I need to refactor what I have into a class (or classes) before moving forward. And, of course, I need to create Pit Fight functionality too.

I should have the Sign Up sheet up in the next few days. It will be open about two weeks or until my code is ready to handle this crazy mess.

Toodles!
(runs off to friend's place to watch GoT)

i love this

get ready for many fsound pit fights

I cant wait

but I can, though

also this is cool nice

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT

Oh my god !!!

I like when he says 'to handle this mess'
ahhhhh, the duct tape days :)))))))))))))))))))))

time to get.. big knife

im ready to get schooled in *almost every format imaginable

YES YES YES!

Love the idea! This is legitimately the coolest thing.

I'm curious why the seeding is ranked first by wins over ranked first by sum of scores? e.g. What if you were put up against 4 really strong composers, and lost 4 times but with very strong songs - is that fair compared to someone who was put up against 4 noobs and won easily with average songs? I get that score averages might be tilted slightly by how good/bad your opponent is, but I don't think the difference would be *that* much... (or would it?)

It feels to me that sorting by sum of scores would be the fairest way, plus maybe some sort of bonus for every win. But I have no doubt that you have probably considered this and have good rationale, so I'm interested to hear it =)

(Also, isn't 4 songs a lot just to get seeded? I mean in sexmodit mania, you only write 5 total songs, and isn't everyone exhausted by the end? =P)

It's a tournament, win/loss is nearly always the primary judgement factor for rank

Otherwise, with sum of scores, you're not competing against your opponent, rather the whole of all players (which makes the tournament format like any other major)

I rent healer services for avocados

pit fights are no longer an unused feature :)

shame i am too nice to fight

are u back from GoT

My body is ready

Finally zebra x doxic and kfaraday x Charlotte

Savestate, I was talking about the first 4 compos which just get you a seed, not the whole torunament. For those compos it seems to me that you should indeed be competing against all players, since all players get a seed and seeds are essentially a ranking of all players, no?

So if 30+ sign up for the tournament you want to do 30+ pit fights?

WOW

eeeeeeeeee

these are not casual 4 person free-for-alls johnfn, these are 1v1 blood-sweat-and-tear fights to the death. i would know, i play melee competitively

will we have default sample pax for the various module size formats? it sounds like a pain to do, but if one combatant had a sample pack handy while another didn't, they would have a huge advantage.

> So if 30+ sign up for the tournament you want to do 30+ pit fights?

Errr, if you consider Summer Chip VII a 166 person pit fight, than sure! =P

Also savestate if you plan on literally murdering your 4 opponents than that seems like an acceptable compromise

**ANYWAY**, all I'm suggesting is ranking by something like sum of averages + 5 * wins to calculate your seed only, which would seem to balance out the whole "i got matched against the 4 best musicians" vs "i got matched against the 4 worst musicians" thing. It's just a thought I had.

yea! i guess me participating would be like farming slimes on a rpg for most good musicians o n botb

i would be the training dummy

rip

BotB Slime alt account as pitfight cannon fodder when?

I volunteer myself as a BotB Slime

slime optional boss general blobular

"If there is no common Format between BotBrs for a Pit Fight then the Format defaults to `allgear`. "

It seems you misspelled "channelf" there.

i'm assuming losers from the sky bracket go to hades? because it doesn't really make sense to have 2 brackets if it's single elimination

Losers from the first swiss robin round go to the hades pool and face another swiss robin round. Once in either bracket, a single loss means elimination from the tournament. Once both brackets are going they will be the same size each round.

is this how it works

YES

CHANEL 夏リボン知的さ金色 is the name of my new vaporwave album

Lol this bracket is so unconventional, I like it

so given azura's example, you'd have to write 8-12 entries to be winrar

a test of endurance as well as skillz

I think iphone8icase hit the nail on the head by calling this Tournament "Summer ribbon intellectual gold color"

...and I still think limiting the swiss robin rounds to 2 or 4 hour entries will help with that endurance issue. Maybe 2 hours for the first one and 4 hours for the n00b Hades one? WAR IS HELL!

wait im dumb nevermind, yea that sounds good

yeah i was thinking hades was a fitting name for it since you have to do a second round robin

voting categories: summer, ribbon, intellectual, gold, color

Oh my god please

HEY I HAVENT FORGOTTEN SO SHUT YER PITHY HOLES!!!

CHECK THESE LINKS OUT WOWOWOW
http://battleofthebits.com/arena/TourneySim/17
http://battleofthebits.com/arena/TourneySim/38
http://battleofthebits.com/arena/TourneySim/69

All the scores/botbrs are random -- THATS THE FLOW (i think)

This is just a prototype -- there's still a BUTTLOAD LEFT

damn i was rooting for egg
(wow im dumb)

just hit refresh until you see egg win

OH i only clicked each once and assumed they were static outputs. this makes much more sense

you can also change the number at the end of the URL to your heart's desire; things don't seem to work very well with a number under 8; and it maxes out at 127

(keeps refreshing)
who are all these people

it's loading BotBrs at random with level 7 or higher

sample format grand finals hype

computer! set random scores within 5 points of each botbrs average score and run simulation!

oh boy can't wait! though i may most likely be out in the first battle lol

So there are a couple new concerns that came up in conversation or mind... bitpacks and forfeits

The simulator should account for forfeits; maybe a 5% chance for anyone to forfeit in any pitfight.

Bitpacks could be 'borrowed' from previous OHBs though I don't believe each format has bitpacks in this regard. Crazy music theory bitpacks might not be ideal (or maybe they are!). Really I think only the `remix` format needs a bitpack for sure.

Also, there has been some talk about replacing the 2nd round Swiss Robin event in the n00bs Hades bracket with a couple XHBs.

Basically, things are still in flux. I'll be trying to get a foundation going for a complete refactor of the battle engine this weekend.

I keep thinking about how cool this is

Oh damn! Time to put my big boy Dragon Ball pants on.

Hey, I just wanted to let folks know I spent a bunch of time on Saturday working towards this goal. I completely gutted the battle class and have been rebuilding it from scratch, pulling in what I deem reusable from the old code. There's still a lot of finer points to get caught up, but making OHBs run on the same battle class will most likely be next. This, and the new period classes, should make for greater flexibility in the battle engine moving forward. No more parallel development for different battle types! :u

I totally fell behind on this. I've been quiet about it. I didn't want to admit defeat even when I was obviously past a date that would leave enough time for it to run before Winter Chip. I've got a branch going with the refactor. It's a grind right now refactoring the major engine and the ohb engine into one (templates included). Didn't help that I recently got totally distracted by taking a synth electronics workshop/course/class. The DroneButt™ is almost fully functional! BotB WILL have a tournament, but it won't be in the now that is 2017. And now I'm gonna get back to work on my VIC20 tracker.

can i use this vic20 tracker when you're done with it :o

i need a good excuse to make some not-so-technologically-groundbreaking music

:O O:
curiousity-bump

<i> i would know, i play melee competitively </i>

ahhh, i remember the fall open invitational 2017 like it was just yesterday

hello its me c:

curiousity-bump!

I am looking forward to submit my sign up at a!

i hope that, when tournaments and pit fights become a available, they would bring back a lot of "sabbatical" botbrs! ;)

hello.
ive been thinking a lot (read: A LOT) about tournaments lately, probably because im watching the football world championship atm and they use a similar system.
i just read through the linked lyceum article again (this one), and even though i am aware that this is far from getting implemented, i want to say once more how much i would love this type of battle.
maybe, by bumping this thread every once in a while, it will one day eventually probably become a reality.

or, in other words: curiousity-bump c:

I'm sure puke will do it if the tournaments are managed by a network-capable NES