CHIPTUNE HOT TAKES!!! ! :: BotB Academy

191961

HELLO AND WELCOME TO THE
CHIPTUNE HOT TAKES
THREAD!!!!!

POST YOUR UNPOPULAR CHIPTUNE OPINIONS
WITHOUT JUDGMENT
don't be actually mean though this should all be in good fun
nobody wants a flame war

i'll go first: i actually really don't like the "classic" 1-tick chiptune arp sound. arps in general can be great if spaced out more but i find that the 1-tick version (which is even the default of basically any arpeggio effect command, and lots of trackers don't let you change it) only ever has one type of sound because it's so fast and i do not care for it

191962

more channels don't make a track better per se.

also FM is overrated.

nothing beats a few channels of simple waveforms + noise

191963

dami you stole my take so now im judging you and starting a flame war

my hot take, then, is that at least for like famicom and nes, MML allows assignment of speed per track and therefore trackers should do the same thing

also patterns of different lengths should be able to play simultaneously to help people break out of the barline

191964

SN7 is good

191965

openmpt default keybinds suck ass

191966

NES 2A03 Triangle is mid for bass

Can barely hear the shit half the time, gets overpowered when anything that isn't triangle is playing)

(unless you have insane mixing skills)

191968

why chiptunes without arp effect are so rare here?... :'(

191970

furnace is not living up to its potential yet
n.b. this is a chiptune hot take as per the thread title, it lives up to other use cases

191971

Oh, I also agree with the arp speed. Arps above 30Hz start to make the frequency of the arp itself (generally 60Hz) more audible than the notes in it.

Well, I hope not to turn this into a rant post ^^ .

- While tri snares require combining tri+noise, tri kicks sound good by themselves. They get muddy when combining them with low freq noise.

- S5B is overrated.

- DPCM is becoming somewhat satanized. I love my DPCM abuse in NSF.

- I still can't enjoy most of microtonality (well, not so much of a chiptune hot take exclusively).

191974

SCC is underrated

Furnace Tracker still lacks lots of features (some are actually planned to be included soon, like .mid import, missing chips supported from .vgm format (like Yamaha YMF278 (OPL4)), easier interoperation with other trackers (import/export), allowing chords from midi controllers, microtonality (not impossible to be included, but i think the source will need to be deeply recoded, replacing lookup tables with formulas for the frequencies/notes), etc, )

191975

I just wanna know where the Nintendo DS format at???

I guess my hot take is that sample chiptune is still chiptune and should be respected despite its lack of limits

191976

Because all playback is digital, all music is chiptune

191978

i'd like to never hear NES music again

191988

OPL3 sucks, Furnace has the crappiest excuse for a DPCM sampler I’ve ever seen, the SID is annoying, DN-Famitracker is a buggy mess to the point where I wanna downgrade to j0CC, and OPN is better than OPM.

There also are no good Gameboy trackers out there (unless you count Furnace technically being able to export to VGM which you can convert somehow). I absolutely loathe HugeTracker (unfortunately it’s basically the only real way to make music for GBStudio. Unless you want to convert… Amiga MOD? What??).

Bet I just made 30 people unsubscribe and lost all my friends.

(Oh, and I agree with Hexer on the OpenMPT keybinds thing!)

191989

ty jangler

191991

true there are no good gameboy trackers out there because lsdj is Great

191994

We need more experimental chiptune!!

(I know there's already a wealth of that on botb but we need more! so much more!!)

191997

devs shld stop putting obscure ass effects into trackers. look what it did to dami (points at 1.5 gb worth of glitched data, swept into a neat pile in the centre of the room)

oh if midi is techniclly chip according to this site, it just doesnt sit right with me. like imagine loading up a bunch of midi files to play in the car, and ur passenger asking u "hey what u listening to" in the middle of this smooth textured funky track and saying "yea its chiptune"

ok more lightly tho, tempo variations gives a piece a more organic feeling and should be used more in chip music

191999

Because of LSDJ, I want the possibility to control all the music tools I use with a gamepad.

Also, fakebit: its still realbit to me darn it!

192000

damn it mioh baited me into pressing haeit

192001

"sounding like video game music" (the sentiment, not the objective fact) automatically makes something chiptune. obviously you can make chiptune that doesn't sound like video game music, and 99% of video game music doesn't even sound like video game music, but as long as the suggestion is there...

anyway, that's why all electronic music made after 2010 (brostep, trap, hyperpop) is chiptune

192003

only 1 chan dpcm? still need more smh 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

192005

<token kilowatt koolaid post>

Not a chiptune hot take, but a community one:

More appreciation is due for the collective talent here... I have come across a lot of work in this community and other places chiptunes reside that in my opinion is easily as good/interesting/inspiring/meaningful as other music I have heard out in the wild. Good art in the real sense abounds and I remain grateful for it

192015

i like hugetracker idk ive warmed up to it, devs are real friendly too :>

potatoteto made a furnace to uge converter so you can work in furnace then convert your file so theyre usable in gbstudio

my hot take: i dont care much for the « wow it’s pushing the limitations of __ chip/console » aspect of chiptune. I tend to enjoy music that has other things to say asides from technical details. I recognize it still has its place tho, and pushing boundaries does open up the door for more ways of self expression later down the line

192016

VRC6, (maybe VRC7?,) N163 and S5B are stupidly overrated (mainly N163, yall be abusing the poor shit, let it live in peace!)

MMC5 is actually underrated.
Yes, VRC6 has more channels and better duty cycles.
Yes, N163 allows you to add unique waveforms to your song.
Yes, S5B has envelope.

But while MMC5 simply offers a couple extra pulse channels, any extra channels is good, and they can free up your pulse channels (meaning free chords)

The NES is undeniably "worse" than the SNES, yet people still use it.

MMC5 doesn't offer much, but what it offers, it offers quite nicely.

(Oh and uhhh
FDS modulation is busted)

...
~~(RIP EPSM fans)~~

192017

vanilla famitracker is better than all of the forks

192018

Battle of the Bits should be called Combat of the Chips

192019

1tick arps are good

also "chiptune" literally means "fakebit"

192020

the best chiptune is chiptune that takes and synthesizes some sort of outside influence or style and brings it to life in these restrictions

192021

it's cute when people call chiptune "8bit music" even if it's not actually 8bit music

192024

@Prestune: Championship of the Chips

192025

@agargara We need more experimental chiptune battles!!

192044

MIDI fucking sucks and people do crazy and unintended shit in MIDI in order to make an excuse. the only real usage for MIDI are these shitty unison audio pro level chord progressions... trackers do it better

impulse tracker is bloated, XM does everything already, no need for NNAs because they're counterintuitive (you cannot stop unwanted note trails effectively without ruining the purpose of NNAs). the only thing impulse does better is the compression (basically nonexistent in XM) and the usage of 1 sample for multiple instruments. there's no need for stereo sample support because even in IT, it's more effective to split it into 2 samples. channel volumes are interesting but not really needed. edit history is so stupid and not needed at all. the UI is ugly, st3 does it better.

192047

Recordings from emulation are fakebit

Editing on a modern pc and exporting or syncing is… borderline

192064

gxscc was made for fakebit and only 3 botbrs used it here... (from the tagged fakebit entries, only me, Snabisch and Bravoman - https://battleofthebits.com/arena/Tag/gxscc/gxscc )

192068

Wait, there’s a furnace to uge conversion tool??

192082

@retrokid104 @robotmeadows https://github.com/potatoTeto/fur2uge

192086

yeah its not 100% accurate but it should do most of the heavy lifting

192090

gxscc is good

192094

hey viraxor what is your street address and full legal name I would like to send you a gift

192101

fakebit and chiptune are not at odds. the distinction is technical, not musical, and i don't think it's cheating/stolen valor/nostalgiacore to use chiptune elements in a modern context. ok maybe it is nostalgiacore

192113

Here is a big post that I did not expect to write so much of.

My big grievance to chiptune, while I love it so much...

I don't really like how chiptune is so centered around the most "easy" or well known software. I feel like the true essence of chiptune doesn't really come from any sort of main idea, it's a SUPER broad spectrum and I think people should be more educated on the more complex ideas that chiptune has as a genre.

Also

My biggest chiptune pet peeve of them all...

WHEN PEOPLE ASK WHAT SOUNDFONT THEY USED ON A CHIPTUNE TRACK OR WHEN THEY GO "HEY IS THAT THE ____ SOUNDFONT" ON AN SNES TRACK. EDUCATE YOURSELVES!!!! (granted, I used to think chiptune was a bunch of soundfonts when I was younger, so I guess it's kind of easy to fall for that idea

Yeah, just kind of frustrating that there isn't a agreed common standard on what exactly chiptune is, It would be nice to have every tool for chiptune at our disposal, but sadly there are quirks and cracks in the mold of everything we seem to create. It's almost beautiful in the sense that chiptune really exemplifies the subjectivity of art.

Chiptune is basically what you make it, and working with limitations and unorthodox digital ways of making music is fun, so at the end of the day, I think it's really nothing to tear each other apart for. We should just enjoy the fun and unique sounds the super broad and vast world of chiptune has to offer. Like any other form of art :)

192114

there are better ways to talk about making good use of some tool/function/mechanic than using the word 'abuse', which has obvious negative connotations outside of this context. it's never quite sat well with me. gamers do this too when referring to taking advantage of some game mechanic. but i hear it a lot in chiptune when somebody does something cool with a specific channel or ability of the chip or whatever.

192119

Please stop making your "boss battle themes" 160+ bpm with loud drums and giant orchestral sounds, it's just obnoxious and overstimulating.

The Undertale soundtrack is just _good. Why are we acting like because it's made by only one guy that it's the greatest game OST of all time? As if that's never been done before? Megalovania is like the "Let It Go (Frozen)" of video game tunes, just catastrophically overplayed and boring. I appreciate a lot of the tunes in that soundtrack but somehow the worst ones find their way to hog the attention.

I do also find FM to be overrated in the sense that so many artists just distort Sega Genesis style soundfonts to be extra loud and jarring, it's just so ear-piercingly loud all the time, it's not an aesthetic.

192155

viraxor, thank you for reminding me that people can have hot takes that are so disagreeable that i physically cannot fathom how they hold those opinions, compelling me to write an entire paragraph detailing exactly how and why i disagree with them only to realize there isn't a universe in which i change their mind anyway

no hard feelings tho, it's just silly music tools

192156

@Luigi64

Jeffrey Lim
9 Wilgena Avenue
Myrtle Bank
South Australia 5064

(note that this is in the text files shipped with IT)

192158

we shld start willing doxxing ourselves in tracker modules in hopes of getting job offers via mail again, i think that wld be funny

192159

I wholeheartedly agree, the Undertale soundtrack is… fine? I mean yeah it’s not the greatest. Eschatos surpasses it for me, and it’s only like 15 tracks.

192162

I feel like the only reason people don't like megalovania is they've heard it 1000 times but it's actually a good song

Though I agree that it's not super amazing as an OST, I think it's mainly the emotional attachment that makes it so highly regarded

Even Deltarune has better music so far I'd say

192166

The Undertale soundtrack is a masterclass of leitmotifs. Almost every piece is connected to other pieces; some are modified beyond recognizability (how long did it take you to realize that Dogsong is just the default battle theme in major key?). The soundtrack works together as a single organism. It's the skeleton on which the game world is built, in a similar fashion to how Tolkien's Legendarium is built around his languages. I know of few game soundtracks that even attempt anything like this.

I dislike Megalovania because it sticks out like a sore thumb. Like a temp track that was left in. Even its name is a reference to the Homestuck character for which it was written originally.

192167

Song That Might Play When You Fight Sans++
MEGALOVANIA--

192169

Ahem
OPZ > OPL

192175

ok hot takes thread activating EVIL BLOWER MODE

@max yes its a good soundtrack but that's just too much. if you like leitmotifs so much go watch an opera

@nard not getting distracted during the boss fight is part of the challenge. I saw someone on #maj7 say this so it's probably true

@robotmeadows Re:pushing the limitations - totally agree. But alas, I have been poisoned by this line of thinking and will never recover.

@gotoandplay Re:"furnace isn't living up to its potential" it likely never will because the scope is too large

@everyone Re:fakebit - It's chiptune when I do it, it's fakebit when you do it

Everyone here needs to start uploading compilations of their music if they haven't. I like listening to my local files but I don't like downloading them one by one off your soundcloud.

If you're not using the amen break extremely creatively - do not use it at all. Find something else, I guarantee it will make your music more interesting.

I know it's pointless getting mad about niche genre names but if I hear one more person call your nostalgic 2020s DNB breakcore I will kill you <- Except I won't do that because I Love Everyone!

192176

"It's chiptune when I do it, it's fakebit when you do it" is the realest shit of all time

192181

I chipped my tooth and now it whistles.

192182

I always treat amen break appearances as kinda-shitposty jokes. so if your song uses amen break, I treat it as a non-serious track.
same goes for tracks that use the lick.

this doesn't mean joke music is bad, but it's a different vibe

192217

the presence of made-up fantasy chips in furnace is extremely silly

i obviously understand the appeal of Making Up A Guy - it's fun to kick back and theorycraft your own ideal sound chip or whatever. but it is absolutely bizarre to have them listed and available in a tool built for replicating/emulating real actual sound chips

addendum: if you actually designed and built your fantasy chip as a physical object though that is sick as hell, although i would still find it strange to appear in furnace with all these old mass marketed products

addendum 2: honestly i think it's similarly silly to have the single-channel "generic DAC" sampler in furnace when you have plenty of options for actual sampler chips, some of which are quite robust and capable

192220

i hate how fairchild channel f sounds. beep bop. it sounds stupid get outta here

192233

This thread pretty much became a Megalovania hate thread.
I think that it's an alright song on it's own and maybe we might be overhating it.... but at the same time there's already a way better indie game metal song since 2008.

Anyway for chiptune takes and etc.... i might say something controversial: i feel like the digital fusion community might sometimes have a bit too much saying and influence over what's popular in adjacent communities... like this very website.

It's probably my very own biases again, but sometimes I feel like there are some songs that deserved to do better than the funny chiptune or digifu anthem we suddenly have decided that it should win.
I mean these anthems still are really good songies, but a part of me wants to see more underrepresented styles in this place take the spotlight rather than something that won because it sounded like Nintendo-core music which is what people are familiar and comfy with.

192239

there's nothing about chiptune specifically that makes it more interesting to me than other styles of music

and FM is underrated

192241

SMS/GG is the best sounding 8-bit chip

192243

@BubblegumOctopus ColecoVision as well! ;p

192248

i think the idea of fakebit as a unique distinction from "true" chiptune is silly, like that feels on the same level as claiming someone using a daw and plugins instead of recording a live band is "fakeinstrument" like no the facsimile and actual one are functionally undistinct outside of edge cases at this point. also the tia is the best chip sound and i stand by that fact

192249

I don't know if the result is distinguishable, but the process of making fakebit is different. Without hard limitations I feel like my work naturally shifts in a different direction.

192252

my hot take is that Famitracker is dead and people should put it out of its misery by adding an NSF exporter to Furnace

192254

@damifortune: the "Generic DAC" is really dumb, you also can't set multiple channels of it, meaning each channel of Generic DAC you want MUST be added separately.

And hot take: Furnace's UI is clunky as hell. I've never really enjoyed UI that's modular. I'd rather spend a couple minutes learning the UI than have to spend hours setting it up the way I think I want it. It has grown on me recently but that's really not my main issue with the UI: it's that there are usually too many panels of info in furnace. Some things should have really been condensed into one panel without tabbing, like Song Info and Edit Controls and Play Controls, or allowed you to dock them next to each other without a border

Another thing I don't like about furnace is people seem to put it on a pedestal when it should not be viewed as a replacement for dedicated trackers. You should have options, especially given not everyone will jive with furnace even with the hardware export being added.

EDIT: more thoughts

192256

agree about the furnace UI -- it makes the end user solve problems that should have been solved by the designer. flexibility is overrated. plus some of the panes are unusable or unreadable anyway unless you made them at least a certain size, so why let them come up in a little side panel?

i'd be curious to hear from someone who likes the furnace UI though

192257

i do actually really like the furnace UI and appreciate its modularityness. i think the things i prioritize are not necessarily the same as others so i like that i can give space where i want it. one thing that especially suits me is that it means a dual-monitor layout becomes really powerful, as in the program being dragged all (or most of) the way across both screens. i can maximize my number of visible channels while perfectly placing all the other info where i want it up top and keep a side pane for all the editors + fx list. if i resize significantly, sure i might have to do a little size reconfiguring, but it does not bother me, and i do not do that often anyway

granted, you are right that some of the panes require particular minimum widths or heights to really serve their purpose. and there's an extent to which just having a few relocation options, like with famitracker, solves most preferences well enough - i love my famitracker layout. but i ultimately enjoy the ability to make the layout Mine, you know?

192261

i do not like the default furnace interface settings, they look too much like deflemask which i do not like even if i get that it was originally designed to make the transition from that program to furnace easier.
so that means i fucking love how customizable furnace's interface is, i love how you can change the colors, layout and even some ways the program behaves. i adore my furnace layout and color scheme :3

192283

a perfect example of the "should have been solved by the designer" thing is when I had to spend like 15 minutes changing the note input keys to the chromatic-style openmpt binds because you have to add each note separately from a dropdown that's sorted alphabetically. Yes that technically allows you to have any note binds you want but realistically who is taking advantage of this feature? and if they find it so useful why does it suck so much to use?

While I'm still taking shots at furnace I'll say I'm not sure why the hexadecimal effect names are necessary (E1xy, ECxx etc.) There's probably some good reason somewhere why they aren't just adapted from the alphanumeric XM or IT ones.

I will say I underestimated furnace and I've gotten used to it a bit now that I've tracked more with it (and spent an hour and a half in the settings menu). It's 2-op controls are way better than famitracker's with all of the modulation and macros and such (I mean, obviously). I still prefer the way famitracker handles dpcm though, even if the sample map is buggy.

192286

it hurts my brain that mod64k awards different classist points to every other tinymod format. put that thing in chipist where it belongs!!!

192290

the snes fucking sucks LMAO

192291

@roz tbh just make 4/8/12/16k chipist and 24/32/48/64k mixist. a nice even split. the smaller ones are more about restrictions anyway

192292

@ord we duel at high noon

192294

what annoys me the most about furnace, is that you cant easily move around some windows without thinking much, because they will always get attached to any random containers.
and then I need to figure out where they went and how to unattach again.
it's annoying.

unless there's a feature to deactivate that altogether???

192295

okay I'm feeling extra SPICY right now so here we go...

HOT TAKE 1: I genuinely love the Furnace default UI!! The flexible customization options are just a plus on top of that.

HOT TAKE 2: there are too many tinymod formats. They should be squashed down, maybe to 4/8/24/48. anything else should just be normal s3xmodit

HOT TAKE 3: Generic DAC in Furnace is Good and Cool.

HOT TAKE 4: Amen break is always good. It's never bad, it never gets old, everyone should keep using it all the time.

HOT TAKE 5: 25% Pulse is the Best waveform. It has the perfect balance of harmonics (skip every 4th harmonic).

HOT TAKE 6: Every famous chiptune composer is overrated. All of them.

drops mic

192298

i was kind of dreading reading the rest of this thread but it turned out ok ish

one more take; some great songs have been made for the zx beeper ( see this for instance
) but they should be much much much better, given that there are some otherworldly sound design possibilities available in the likes of 1tracker and the earlier version of bintracker. i havent maximalised it and i kind of thought that by now someone else would have done

192299

trackers should let me move chip channels to the sides so i can organize them. it's pain using
2A30 + 2A30;
2A30 + MMC5;
or 2A30 + VRC6, etc.
...and not clumping up the pulse channels, instead having the triangle and noise channels split them, like

bad!!
P1 | P2 | *TRI* | *NOI* | P3 | P4

good!!
P1 | P2 | P3 | P4 | TRI | NOI

it seems like such a simple feature to add

192312

hexer coming in with the actual goated take

192313

amiga chiptunes are fakebit

192314

I mean furnace lets you, but so far it’s the only one I can think of. Agree with this one ^^

192316

yeahhh another thing i love about openMPT is it lets you move channels! which i take advantage of all the time. oh i need an echo channel here? just sliiide one over

192317

furnace lets you do that!??!

192328

dang Hexer is cruising with this 2a30 access

i'm so left behind in crummy 2a03 land :sobglasses:

192337

openmpt's ui is actually good and it usually becomes trash when people customize it. it's easy to learn for beginners because everything is easy to find, the samples, the instruments, the patterns, everything is navigated easily with a mouse. no stupid keyboard shortcuts (alt+f4 lol) like in other trackers.

renoise is unstable and clunky as hell, not only that but all music made in it sounds like it was made in some opensource DAW, even though it's paid, the demo songs are atrocious... also it looks way too ugly. the only thing that is good in renoise are the samples given with it, I've saved all of them on my hard drive. these are great

interpolation is stupid, unless you make chip music there is no difference between sinc and no interp, and even in most chip tracks there's no difference. but people like to be annoying "ooohh why are you *oink* not playing it *oink* with no interpolation!!" I didn't because it's the same and I'm also too lazy to change the settings and restart the tune because of your sensitive ears and elitism...

192340

openMPT? GOOD UI?!
that thing burns my eyes (please i just want darkkk modeeee, or just proper customization. even deflemask and Impulse got that part right.)

also...why tf does using Ctrl+A not select everything?!?! WHY IS IT CTRL+L GODDAMIT?!?!
(ik Ctrl+A is for increasing notes by a semitone but jeez, can't openMPT try not to be quirky af and just decided to use...normal keybinds?? idc if it was inherited from Impulse or smth, just please I beg whyyyyyy are you different?!?!?!
so many of these keybinds hurt my feeble brain (and its not like all of them are mapped or anything, so you basically HAVE to remap this shit)!

192344

ok wait actually i have actual hater talk

all the s3xmodit and tinymod shit sucks it isnt fun all the tools are clunky and need 100+ keybinds and 50+ extended techniques to learn before you make anything that sounds good, just use a daw like a normal person no one gives a shit about you using 6 squillion channels in openmpt or impulsetracker. society has progressed past the need for impulsetracker. openmpt is ass btdubs

renoise is the actual goated format mostly due to the dsps and insane routing bullshit you can pull. for every 1 bad thing about renoise theres 2 more stupid things that make the format fun.

the nes fucking sucks i hope i never have to listen to an nsf ever again, no one ever bothers doing something cool or good with it they just try and make a rather shit anamanguchi b-side or channel the crack that flaminglog was smoking back in 2018.

192348

when is hottake getting a botb format

192349

I'd win every battle (I have more hot takes in stock, gotta put them here later)

@srb2er: I didn't know that ctrl+l was for select all, I just used my mouse for it lol
it's actually really funny that you can use only the mouse to make a song in mpt, it's very tedious and slow but you'll gonna have something at the end.
also I don't really get dark mode all that much, it's worser for your eyes actually. I just use light mode on everything except discord because discord looks crap with light mode on

192350

there is one specific famitracker piece people keep making over and over (as individual original pieces) and ive started actually physically recoiling when i hear it, because i know the intent was not to make that song again. they might not even be aware of all of the other times other people made it. you give someone who's somewhat proficient w/ famitracker a blank module with the VRC7 or 4+ channels of n163 available and they go to make something epic, there's an unfortunate chance it'll be this piece again.

if i hear that opening noise fade again i am going to cry. i have already cried on hearing it before, i will cry more. it is like famitracker users are haunted by this piece. I have probably made this piece before. as far as i know, this piece was probably originally written by jsr himself as a way of testing how epic the tracker can be.

browsing famitracker music from people i dont know personally on youtube is like a minefield. this piece lurks around the corner at all times. one wrong recommendation click, and i am listening to another user's rendition of this piece. it is like hell made specially for people like me, a weird slightly condescending prog metal musician who calls herself "composer", and a fretless bassist no less.

the pain of accidental generic music, knowing the person who made it is likely blissfully unaware... it is the circle of hell devoted to those who spend days of their time complaining that people online don't bitch about their music enough...

192355

@kinkinkijkin is this "anime openingcore" or are you talking about something else

192402

I've been growing more and more towards the opinion that trackers have modernized to the point that writing music with them has more in common with a DAW production than someone making music for games or demos in the 80's and 90's. This is not bad, but it makes me dislike when people talk about making chiptune as a "retro" thing and they're using Furnace. Software limitations are just as important to what defined the sound and composition process back then as the chip limitations themselves, if not more.

Moreover, the obsession with retro console accuracy and "pushing the soundchip to the limits" doesn't add any value to a song if you don't have the hardware to play it back, even less if the song can only be played only in the tracker emulation itself. Having a chip log in VGM that can in theory be played back in hardware (rarely on original hardware [and rarely without a cutback to the song unless you have it in mind]) becomes just a pat in the back compared to doing the same song in a DAW with VSTs.

I don't say this as "Furnace is bad", it's the opposite! My point is that there's a lot in chiptune as a cultural identity that has been carried over because of the novelty even though it doesn't apply anymore. The idea that a song could be classified as "fakebit" has pretty much been destroyed for me.

192410

no it's not animeopeningcore i think. it's like uhh.... actually it might be? i have no fucking idea it's just always identical, exact same fade-in on the noise channel, same length of intro, same approach to building up in the intro (sometimes down to exact wholesale sharing of rhythm, rather than almost-exact)

i don't wanna like, link one of these, cus that just serves to shame individual people for making it when i know full well ive probably made this song before.

192415

I think music made of all samples is trash.

192421

@B-Doh samples as in tracker samples or sampling as in hip-hop?