Nooooooooooooooooooooooo what are you doing!!!!!!!!!!!!

This would be so sad. ;___;

I liēk hæiting self-detrimental posts like "My music SUCKS!", to show that I disagree.

I'd prefer clear opinions with passion. Like and dislike is a little too sweet imho

I'd go for luv and hæit

@kfaraday: if we keep the overall ambiance right on this site I think hæits are taken with the grain (or bucket) of salt you have to take internet critisim anyway. If someone hæits something you did without some explaining, I would internally translate this to "dislike" anyway.

We all have different opinions, more or less exacerbated by differences in age, race, gender, sex, sexuality, social standing, religious beliefs, education level, political leanings, personality disorders, developmental disorders, somatoform disorders and simply spending too much spare time hanging out in online communities.

We're bound to disagree with each other. We should be free to express our disagreement. I believe allowing people to express their disagreement through a simple haeit is more effective and less nasty than expressing ones disagreement through words.

Most of the poor feelings are caused by words rather than haeits. Most long dramatic discussions start with words rather than haeits. Much like we do not choose to ban words, we should not ban haeits.

I'm very much in favor of keeping the hæit feature. I don't want to live in an internet world where everything is painted in happyfluffypink. This feelgood mentality is something the various web2.0 platforms have been trying promote, but it's fake, and it's wrong imo. People need to deal with the fact that opinions differ, and to not take everything personal like a little kid. So far I haven't seen any major feuds or flamewars on here (this ain't the demoscene, fortunately), so aside from that a hæit really just translates to "disagree" for me. And thanks to the thing being fully transparent, anybody using the feature to push his personal dislike of another BotBr would have that fall back on his own feet fairly quickly, I guess.

[redonked]

+1 on self liēk/hæit

i lieked doxic's comment for the last two lines he said

also bring back simultaneous liek+haeit woooooooow since sometimes i liek and i haeit a comment at the same time! (this isn't a joke)

i'm agreeing with the consensus to keep the haeit button, removing it is a form of unnecessary censorship. besides, so what if someone haeits your comment? it doesn't mean they haeit uuuuuu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~

and saying we should remove the haeit button because people use it as a form of "[coda-fying] a lot of poor feelings between people in a way that's often tricky to call out because of how seemingly throwaway liēks and hæits are" is like saying some people abuse alcohol so we should ban alcohol entirely because some people can't control their alcohol uses. obviously there's probably been times where people misuse these buttons (well maybe not?). yeah obviously some people don't like each other on this site, so? that's expected in any online and real life community, some people won't like each other and some of those some people will find some shitty way to fling their haeit of each other at each other. but just because some people do this, doesn't mean all people do this and in this case, 95+% of haeits arent just POOP CRAP flinging contests.

if the haeit button does get removed though, remove the liek button too. it's not fair to the liek button, the liek button will be in eternal depression and sorrow because his cutie friend haeit got killed by the overly offended fascist dictator of censorship ;(((((

haeit feature should stay, imo. I haven't seen any terrible damage come from using it. Mostly it's light-hearted, or serious but not in an evil way.

please hæit this comment. i want to feel alive.

please remove doxic instead of the previous comment

viz. http://puu.sh/8cnYf/f470e2471b.png

on topic i think it might be a good idea to count hæits instead of list the names of those botbrs who hæit? so like if you are a YTPMVER on youtube and suddenly google decides to show you a list of users who dislike your pr0 skillz in sony vegas pro, i don't think that ytpmv community would exist anymore

People are much more inclined to dislike something for the lolz or in order to "settle" some feud if they can do so anonymously Especially YTPMVERS... You should know this, HertzDevil. Really. ;)

This is why I think it's a bad idea to hide the names of people who liek/haeit something. It would also be sad if all my lieks/haeits were transformed into some anonymous number.

If youtube would show the names of likes/dislikes from the beginning I imagine the YTPMV community would be even more of a happy cutie place ^o^ (well, the good parts of it, that is)

http://puu.sh/8cuf1.png delete doxic

Much drama.

Wow.

hæit is not throwaway code.

I think kf does make a fair point, but all in all, I'm inclined to say "keep both or remove both." Personally I take the liek/haeit system to mean "agree/disagree," due to the lack of explanation that comes with one. It is a convenience to just click either if I agree with something that's been said, or that I find funny, or equally if I don't agree with something or find it distasteful. In the end, I feel like I agree with Slimeball in that words do so much more damage than just simply saying "I agree/disagree," and I'm sure (hope) that nobody is using the haeit system as some form of attacking mechanism.

With that said: it's debatable as to whether the like/hate system is having much impact anyway. From a personal point of view, I don't think that much has really changed from when it first got implemented (although that may have happened before I started joining in on the irc shenanigans). I guess you could say that I'm not really swayed either way.

I liek haeit. I interpret it as a general "I disagree." more than anything else, which is easysimple.

Also +1 for self/haieting because Emoist points.

Since we're on the subject, I will state that I've never liked the haeit feature since it was implemented. I think it's just the word that I don't like, since effectively we now have a like/dislike system which is common in forums and public comments sections throughout the interwebs, as opposed to before, when it was like Farcebook "like like like, happy happy happy, this means nothing".

I've used the haeit button MAYBE twice ever. I just don't like it.

BUT in the interest of keeping ACTUAL FREEDOM here on BotB, which I have come to cherish as it is in ever shortening supply in this world (soon to extend to the interwebs), let's by all means keep it. We're all accustomed to it being there now, so removing it would feel like censorship.

Also Slimbol would be out of a job. :D

it all ways bothered me that it's liek/hæit
it should be either liek/disliek or luv/hæit!

liek is cutie ^o^
hæit is also cutie ^o^
disliek is too neutral and bland and formal
luv is..........a little too friendly if you get what I mean ;)

B-Knox knows what he's doing. I think we are all going to be okay. The features are less important than how we use them.

I've always been very pro-communication, and I've always kind of felt haeting goes against the whole idea of communicating your sentiments in a clear, unambiguous and specific way. If you simply agree with what someone said, lieking is a simple and efficient way of just going "+1" on their comment, without cluttering threads with annoying, meaningless "+1" posts.

If you're going to haet a comment, however, to me it seems obvious that there is at least one particular element of their post that you have something to say about. Haeting it only contributes to causing a negative feeling in the person who receives it, without giving them any explanation as to what they did to deserve it.

I can sort of see why Facebook and Google+ (and other social media platforms, I assume) have refrained from implementing such a feature up until now (and are continuing to do so); they probably reckoned - rightly, in my opinion - that it would cause more harm than good as far as social interaction goes. The keyword here is "interaction": haeting is basically a one-way "screw you and your opinions", in my view.

In contrast, lieking is more like "here, hi-five bro", and despite also being unidirectional, it's fine (or "not as bad") because you can't really discuss, debate, or voice your disagreement over something that you precisely agree with in the first place.

So the bottom line is: keep the liek, ditch the haet.

(Incidentally, that piece of advice also applies to life in general. (: )

i might have been a bit harsh and overly sensitive in my original post~~

this is just me but i honestly don't like getting only positive feedback on something (even if its something as small as a comment). i like getting positive and negative feedback on anything i do. only having a liek button and no disapproval button is only showing half the story because you can't see the full story of how your contribution is received. only having one button of approval is like this: say you have a yes and no poll, people go and vote yes or no. some people voted yes and some people voted no. then, you put the results out, but you only display how many people said yes and then just say 100% of people said yes. wtf????????? that's not true, not everyone voted yes.

that's why i said if we remove the haeit button, remove the liek button too because i'd rather get no feedback then false feedback.

to go to the extreme, i'd go as far as saying i wish there was an "anti-favourite" for songs because just seeing how many people liked your song/art/klop fix/whatever only shows one side of the story. i want all the feedback.

another addition: also, if people don't have to explain why they lieked something, why are they to explain what they haeited? lieking and haeiting are equal in magnitude~~~

response to jrlepage:
i can see what you mean with "that it would cause more harm than good as far as social interaction goes" but what's the reason for this? i see it as people taking everything way too personal and getting offended over something so trivial as a haeit. fortunately, the botb community is better than those communities and they can handle someone not liking something they said. also, what's wrong with saying "screw you and your opinions"? that's definitely different than "screw you, you suck idiot loser no friends". there have been plenty of times i've disagreed with someone's opinion but i still dont hate them as a person just because i disagreed with their opinion. my post here and my haeiting of your post is an example of this. i don't hate you as a person or dislike you at all (even if you dislike me for some reason??????), i'm not haeiting because i don't like you, i'm haeiting because i don't like your opinion on this one topic.

also facebook and google+ are made by tools, for tools which is why they never implemented a disapproval button.

(extra note: yes i am a tool because i have a facebook account)


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Are you kidding me?

this thread is a tl;dr clusterfuck. i got honorably discharged, so just call me mr. obvious.

how about an 'allow criticism' check for a post that you make, so you can decide to enable or disable lieks/haeits at the point of posting.

i think the liēk/hæit system is perfectly fine as it is
_{(but i wouldn't complain if we could liek and haeit a comment at the same time and liek/haeit our own comments again)(i wasnt really here when you could do that so im kinda curious about those...)}

How about we remove the ability to vote a track less than 5 so no one's feelings get hurt? But then people who got only 5's instead of 7's would be offended. So let's give everyone's entries a perfect score of 35.

...and then randomly pick the winner. But it is still possible to see the number of plays, which could tell something about what people think about the tune. I think we should disable the play function as well. The song name, the description and the tags are enough! :P

trough was right after all! http://battleofthebits.com/arena/Entry/0k.xm/12011/

Can I point out how great it is that everyone's using the liek/haeit features like crazy in this thread? It's highly fitting and mega-thrilling.

this feature should stay but what about applying it to profiles

liēking/hæiting profiles?
_{that wouldn't be a very good idea..........}

no, just hæiting :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

uh_hhhhhhhh

I agree with mostly everything everyone in support of the hæit button has aired in this topic. I'd feel like an amputee with phantom pains if someone were to remove the feature - fruitlessly clicking where the button had once resided.

Nice one Xaser.

jrlepage made some valid points. When someone "lieks" something, ok, that's cool, they're just adding their support, no comment really necessary. When someone "hæits" something though, just the connotation of the word itself begs the question, "why do you hæit it"? Further explanation should be the responsibility of the hæitr.
If none is given, well, go cry into your pillow for several hours.

Don't get me wrong, I really like the idea of like/dislike as opposed to just "like". This world is getting too namby-pamby with all this hand-holding "let's all get together and like each other" crap. There is room for disagreement when it's done in a civil manner.
The haeit button should definitely stay. I think we've established that pretty solidly by now in this thread.

...I've just never liked the word "hæit" even though it's very BotB.

wtf botb i didnt delete my comment wtf you

http://i.imgur.com/OwsEj1n.png

original comment "wtf i cant be defeatistcore or egocore about my [own] comments what is this"

I hæit this entire thread.

imagine if rainwarrior was silenced because the haeit button was removed~~~~~~~

( ) liēk
( ) hæit
(x) IDGAFF

personally been in favour of having it removed for a long time

to me words and bespoke hand crafted sentences are better than an automated and standardized "i hate this" applied at the click of a button. think about what the word hate means

its not even about being nice to people its about turning on your brain for long enough to work out why you dont want to be nice to them and telling them about it

so lazy

but if other people feel like their life is enriched by a one-click hatred solution then w/e i barely use this site any more anyway

predicting at least five haeits on this post

(fwiw id scrap the liek button too)

the only thing i hæit is change. the only thing i liēk is things the way they is

"to me words and bespoke hand crafted sentences are better than an automated and standardized "i hate this" applied at the click of a button. think about what the word hate means

its not even about being nice to people its about turning on your brain for long enough to work out why you dont want to be nice to them and telling them about it "

While this is lovely and the best point against it, and I would love to see articulation and openness overtake passive aggression, it would never succeed in turning this place into Something Awful Compo Edition, people would just whisper to each other on IRC about what a dick that one guy is

better doesnt have to be perfect

I feel explaining your disagreement towards somebody in a lengthy post, coloquially known as arguing on the internets, is a lot nastier than being "lazy" and hæiting somebody's post. Especially on a community as large as BotB.

BotB's community has grown in size to a point where we often fail to settle our discussions like gentlemen. When I joined almost two years ago thread locks were never necessary! (now they are very necessary, sadly...)

Imagine that every single haeit in this thread would be replaced by an argumentative post about our irreconcilable differences. Doesn't this thread already have enough of that already? :P

It's the kind of stuff that easily escalates into endless debates, drama and hurt butts. Like what happened in this thread:

http://battleofthebits.com/academy/GroupThread/4403/option+to+not+favorite+personal+tracks./

Yes, this post is an example of the very thing I'm arguing against. _{(arguing against arguing, yes)} But I'd rather be a hypocrite than fail to stand up for my constitutional right to hæit. ;(

is there any point disagreeing if you arent going to say what you disagree about or why? is there any point reiterating differences that cant ever be reconciled? no problem can ever be resolved without discussion and if a problem cant be resolved itd be better to just forget about it, not worth bringing it up with haeits all the time. thats my opinion anyway

the post you just made offers a hundred times more value to this discussion than all the haeits in this topic combined imho and thanks for making it bc i expected you to just haeit my post and be done w/ it

i appreciate that talking is hard and haeiting is easy, tho. and im sorry for making talking to me in particular so very hard

see you later slimeball

I don't want to read more words just because someone thought it was a good idea to remove the hæit button.

yeah, we don't have to explain why we liek something so how does that logic work on haeit? and where kf said "the throwaway nature of haeits" shows that they are just a silly little button. if there's any real conflict and ideological differences with a comment, the other person usually explains their opinions in more depth.

many people here seem to be taking others haeiting their own comments too personally i think! and if you're offended by someone haeiting a specific comment of yours or if you think they are just haeiting your comments for no reason, why don't you chat them up in private message? saying you're too shy to or you don't feel like it and then still getting offended about it is no excuse to keep unnecessary tensions up. if you do like keeping this tension up though, why do you like it?

edit: about "throwaway" i agree with puke saying the code is not throwaway, that's not what i meant with throwaway. i meant the action of someone haeiting and lieking your comments is relatively trivial and nothing to be taken too far and like i said, if you are getting offended about it, then why are you just sitting in the corner being offended and not trying to resolve the differences or understand the comment/haeit? slimeball did that now seeing where i said throwaway and pm'ed me now about it so i clarified it here and to him.

my opinion is kind of split on the removal of haeiting because while it can be just a cheap way to passive-aggressively jab at someone it does serve a useful purpose when it comes to a simple I Agree or I Disagree statement (however usually it is in good taste to elaborate on your disagreement like wol mentioned) botb is quite unique to combine a forum and a social media platform where you can liek/haeit peoples' posts, ive never seen something like this before (i guess youtube comment sections does something similar but thats not really a forum) and i guess i can go either way whether its removed or not

skinnyhead, i do think [theoretically] you have some valid points about people using it as a way to fling shit at each other passive aggressively but the ratio of that usage to the ratio of people actually using it as an "I Agree or I Disagree statement" is probably at max 1:20. removing the haeit button wouldn't fix this problem as these people would find another way to passive aggressively fling poop crap at each other so it wouldn't solve anything at all other than silencing people who actually use the haeit button for its intended purpose (to disagree with a post).

edit: "people using it as a way to fling shit at each other passive aggressively but the ratio of that usage to the ratio of people actually using it as an "I Agree or I Disagree statement" is probably at max 1:20." this is a theoretical max ratio and i actually do not think anyone uses it to fling shit at each other. if there is, let me know.

what has this thread become

ah SHIT! i have been guilty of exactly the things i was speaking against. i've been a bit overly sensitive and offended about this topic more than i should be (though i'm not retracting anything i said!)

IMO we should keep liek/haeit but use different terminology, like "cool/whatevs" or "RADICAL/BONKERS!!!" and the site would randomly pick which words to use

in that case we should just vote comments from 5 to 35 in the same way we vote on majors

you know it's long debates like these that just really turn me off. (I retract my own requests while I am at it) I think we are all a little too over excited about a very small feature of this site when we should be focusing on the actual music. The liēk/hæit is just a funny little quirk about the site that makes unique. Why don't we leave the site in puke7's good hands and let him do whatever he bearding wants to do with it. If a user has a problem with another user, can't they just privately talk about it to see if there is a way to resolve the conflict?! I mean, come on, we are all good friends here, why should we get upset over such little things, when again the whole main purpose of the site is to make music and cool buds to make music with.

can we just close the thread now. it's pretty pointless at this part

It's always great to show restraint, but you can't be so fuckin worried about every single possible little offense. Offending someone is unfortunate and it doesn't feel good, but not only is it not the worst thing you can do to them, it's unavoidable as long as you're an artist or critic. Like my buddy Jonny Stew says:

http://youtu.be/745RU6QLtUw?t=9m30s

"better doesnt have to be perfect"

Right but I'm saying it wouldn't be better; any possible benefit of taking away the haet button would be bypassed entirely because the people who don't bother explaining their stance won't suddenly contribute any more than "that's dumb" without it

Back to the topic. I have always seen the haeit button as some sort of parody on Facebooks liking system. Sometimes when people chose the "haeit" instead of "liek" I don't know what that means, and I think the confusion and the weird use of the haeit button is a part of the botb fun :)

(I don't take any sides in this discussion. If it's bad remove it, if it's good and fun, keep it --> but that is fully up to mr puke no. 7 to decide I guess :)