konnichiwa botbrs, sweatynoodle back with another bangin' thread, ive had this one in my brain for quite a long time

main points for teletext in pixelist:
- very limited small-esque scale art format
- limited palette
- it looks like pixel art
- you cant have a tall ass canvas like ansi
- pixelist needs more formats

main points for teletext to stay in gfxist:
- canvas size might be a tiny bit too big
- probably more points, but im biased

main points for teletext to be in writist:
- it has text in the name
- some entries focus on text
- it would be funny

discuss

I don't really feel strongly one way or the other, but another point against:

A lot of teletext entries aren't just pixel art, but have a focus on the text itself too, which sets it aside from pixel art

it has text in the name therefore it must be a writist format

re 232267: gfxist formats dont really have a focus on the text of an entry, so as stated above this is moreso an argument on why it should be writist instead of staying gfxist (which would be funny, but also stupid and i would probably go and complain about it)

I see this format as basically a combination of writist and pixelist classes... it's largely text focused, but the presentation of the text visually is a part of it, and it's limited in pixel-like scope. plus you can do pixels as well!

I don't necessarily think that combination makes it deserve grafixicist of all classes, but I do think it might be slightly weird to earn pixelist points for bitpacks that ask you to do a bunch of writing, moreso than drawing on screen; and conversely, writist points for bitpacks that want you to use its pixeling features. at least grafixicist says "well, there's graphics involved for sure"

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same reason why ansi isn't in pixelist. despite employing a lot of pixelist techniques for the graphics part, text is just as important to some of the entries

Time for dualclass formats.

Hmm I'm not sure it would be a good idea to do it but putting it in the writist class would be coherent with the pdf format being here, as it is also a mix of writing and visual work

Opilion: well the thing with pdf is that it's more often than not the good ole words on a page package

What if there was a separate textmodeist class for formats like teletext, ansi, and ascii? I think it's a very unique artform, and there are plenty more formats that could fit into that category.

Yep, I agree grafixicist isn't the perfect category either, but it is at least more general than pixelist which is too specific. With pixel art, the fundamental unit is the pixel; with teletext the smallest units are glyphs, thus teletext is more compositional in approach, more like a collage. Furthermore, "graphics" etymologically does include both art and text; a subset of graphics is "typographics", which I think actually fits teletext pretty well.

sculptist

What about for someone like me? Who has no class?

textist format gogogo



...I'm actually serious. My weird left-field take here is to put teletext in writist and then rename the class to "textist".

I dunno if this will go anywhere since there's almost never any consensus in genre-bucketing discussions, but the easiest line my brain can draw here is: "is text a fundamental part of the medium?" -- it's a technical distinction, in the same sense that the chipist/mixist divide is generally drawn by asking "does this play back on a real (or simulated) piece of hardware?"

[even if people are "ewwwwww" on the rename, it still feels like Writist moreso than the other two to me, just 'cause it's closer in concept to plaintext or even pdf than it is to any image format -- fundamentally the format contains letters and numbers and some "limited" visual formatting metadata. Whether a specific battle is focused on poetry or prose or ascii art or whatever is a property of the bitpack, not the format.]