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post #47530 ::
2014.09.03 5:14am
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I've been obsessing over a couple of realizations and re-discoveries during the past few weeks. For a number of years now, I've noticed more and more that there's a certain kind of unique harmonic signature attached to Japanese jazz harmony. Without even trying get too analytical right off the bat here: it's just something I can instantly recognize and appreciate, something I can feel when it's there. It's a very colorful and visual sort of sound.
Stuff you hear from guys like YMO, Casiopea, T-Square, etc. and all the great arcade and console game music that continues to have this emotionally vivid sound to this day.
It's something that always wows and amazes me when I come across it and I've been trying to casually understand it for a while in passing, but there's always been some sort of missing connection...like what actually influenced this sort of angular sound? It's obvious that jazz is America's baby and it has influenced musical movements all over the world, but there are a lot of harmonic movements within this area of Japanese music that just doesn't sound like any kind of American derivative. I've always just assumed the magic there was basically, "Well it's just crazy cool cos it's Japanese and they're just good like that hurhurr!", but of course that really can't add up to actually explain anything. I mean you can always trace things back to an influence at some point, right?
There's a particular composer that I've revisited lately and have just been floored upon closer inspection: Soyo Oka, the composer who did the music for Mario Kart, Pilotwings, and Sim City on the SNES. There's something particularly stunning going on within her compositions. It's an extremely clever and functional kind of chromaticism.
And by "functional chromaticism", I mean there's a difference between the craft and awareness involved with functional harmony(leading the listener on a journey, pointing toward key centers), and modal harmony(something probably more infamously known as "transpose-core"). Modal harmony has a very impressive and colorful sound to it because it's constantly challenging the listeners reference point on where the key center is, but, by it's nature, it's not particularly leading the listener to anticipate or yearn for what is coming up ahead. It's an impressive sound, but ultimately sort of emotionally flat IMHO.
What I have noticed in Oka's music is that she modulates all over the place, but it's not just some lazy and sudden jump into a new key(a lot of Kirby music does this ~v~'). Everything operates in a functional way. And not only that, but she's also riding on the barriers between multiple key centers...sort of functionally operating within multiple keys at once without actually ever settling into any of them!
Some great examples of this from her work:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEDJopSlcL0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BV-GwS84dsM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOkHjbbeUqY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpJcjWhMvE8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqTt9j_bHPE
and this profound little gem(there is so much going on within this 6 second loop):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qiBxnSLs5c
There are a lot of things going on within these examples, too much to really start covering at the moment, but there is one musical concept I've noticed which I'd like to talk about briefly...
There's a particular progression that you can find derivatives of all over Japanese stuff which demonstrates one of the ingredients behind this "poly-key" tonality:
Cmaj7 > B7 > Em > Dm > G7 >> Cmaj7 ... etc. and it can keep repeating.
Without explaining too much right now, the proposal is that this progression is existing within both the keys of E minor and C major, yet it's never actually settling in either of them! It has an extremely attractive sound because it's perfectly functional, yet not exactly pointing at one central key. The result is this uncanny, mysterious dynamic that sort of keeps you on your toes!
Wanna hear a couple good examples of it in action?
http://battleofthebits.com/arena/Entry/Summer%27s+Farewell/7731/ (kicks in at 0:11. kf enters it for a few go rounds and then pulls out of it, settling on a conclusive key.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E29uwKZJbUI (kicks in right after the fancy intro. this one is actually dancing around three keys simultaneously!)
There are tons of other examples that I know are out there, but I can't exactly recall many at the moment. What's important is the musical idea behind how this progression works and not the actual progression itself!
Anyway, so where does Brazil come into all of this?!
The other day I was discussing Oka's music with a friend, like this 5 hour conversation almost. At some point he mentioned, "Hey you know, her music really reminds me of that Brizilian kind of sound. She's even cited Latin music as huge influence." Outside of this just applying to Oka, there are also other correlations like Japanese soccer themes for television being composed in the the style of a jazzy samba. So it really got us thinking more deeply into there being a connection here.
I have not really explored Brazilian jazz very much outside of the well know Bossa Nova songs from the 50s and 60s, but of course Bossa has evolved since then. It seemed to've morphed into a sound that's been colloquially shuffled into a genre, "Música popular brasileira" (MPB). What I find particularly interesting about MPB is the focus and concentration placed on matching the harmony with the timing and meaning behind lyrics, which can be quite chromatic by consequence!
A beautiful example~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EjFQDYIWZY
(On a side note: it also occurred to me that 16th century madrigals also had this lyrical-harmonic objective, which of course had the tendency to be adventurously chromatic! There's a good video demonstrating this with subtitles, you can clearly understand how the music changes color with the lyrical content: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVW8GCnr9-I )
So anyway, I'm thinking there must be some kind of not-so-widely known history between Brazil and Japan. A history that is likely more obvious and taken for granted in those countries. Perhaps much like the history behind why the Dutch and Canadians are best friends(betcha didn't know that!) There has to be a point in which you can see how, when, why and where the cross-pollination happened. There are a few wikipedia articles that support this proposed correlation at a glance, but there's really not too much information there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazilians_in_Japan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_Brazilian
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil%E2%80%93Japan_relations
"According to a 2013 BBC World Service Poll, 71% of Brazilians view Japan's influence positively, with only 10% expressing a negative view, making Brazil one of the most pro-Japanese nations in the world."
There's also a lot to consider from this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_jazz
...which doesn't mention this idea of Brazilian influence, but I'm wondering if anyone has really had the reason or interest to investigate this angle.
Anyway, I'll be updating this thread as I do more research. I'll soon have my own website up where I'll be storing research like this and musical transcripts, but I thought maybe a few people here would be interested and curious about these things as well~
I'd also like to hear our resident BotBrazlians opinions on this!
Stuff you hear from guys like YMO, Casiopea, T-Square, etc. and all the great arcade and console game music that continues to have this emotionally vivid sound to this day.
It's something that always wows and amazes me when I come across it and I've been trying to casually understand it for a while in passing, but there's always been some sort of missing connection...like what actually influenced this sort of angular sound? It's obvious that jazz is America's baby and it has influenced musical movements all over the world, but there are a lot of harmonic movements within this area of Japanese music that just doesn't sound like any kind of American derivative. I've always just assumed the magic there was basically, "Well it's just crazy cool cos it's Japanese and they're just good like that hurhurr!", but of course that really can't add up to actually explain anything. I mean you can always trace things back to an influence at some point, right?
There's a particular composer that I've revisited lately and have just been floored upon closer inspection: Soyo Oka, the composer who did the music for Mario Kart, Pilotwings, and Sim City on the SNES. There's something particularly stunning going on within her compositions. It's an extremely clever and functional kind of chromaticism.
And by "functional chromaticism", I mean there's a difference between the craft and awareness involved with functional harmony(leading the listener on a journey, pointing toward key centers), and modal harmony(something probably more infamously known as "transpose-core"). Modal harmony has a very impressive and colorful sound to it because it's constantly challenging the listeners reference point on where the key center is, but, by it's nature, it's not particularly leading the listener to anticipate or yearn for what is coming up ahead. It's an impressive sound, but ultimately sort of emotionally flat IMHO.
What I have noticed in Oka's music is that she modulates all over the place, but it's not just some lazy and sudden jump into a new key(a lot of Kirby music does this ~v~'). Everything operates in a functional way. And not only that, but she's also riding on the barriers between multiple key centers...sort of functionally operating within multiple keys at once without actually ever settling into any of them!
Some great examples of this from her work:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEDJopSlcL0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BV-GwS84dsM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOkHjbbeUqY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpJcjWhMvE8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqTt9j_bHPE
and this profound little gem(there is so much going on within this 6 second loop):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qiBxnSLs5c
There are a lot of things going on within these examples, too much to really start covering at the moment, but there is one musical concept I've noticed which I'd like to talk about briefly...
There's a particular progression that you can find derivatives of all over Japanese stuff which demonstrates one of the ingredients behind this "poly-key" tonality:
Cmaj7 > B7 > Em > Dm > G7 >> Cmaj7 ... etc. and it can keep repeating.
Without explaining too much right now, the proposal is that this progression is existing within both the keys of E minor and C major, yet it's never actually settling in either of them! It has an extremely attractive sound because it's perfectly functional, yet not exactly pointing at one central key. The result is this uncanny, mysterious dynamic that sort of keeps you on your toes!
Wanna hear a couple good examples of it in action?
http://battleofthebits.com/arena/Entry/Summer%27s+Farewell/7731/ (kicks in at 0:11. kf enters it for a few go rounds and then pulls out of it, settling on a conclusive key.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E29uwKZJbUI (kicks in right after the fancy intro. this one is actually dancing around three keys simultaneously!)
There are tons of other examples that I know are out there, but I can't exactly recall many at the moment. What's important is the musical idea behind how this progression works and not the actual progression itself!
Anyway, so where does Brazil come into all of this?!
The other day I was discussing Oka's music with a friend, like this 5 hour conversation almost. At some point he mentioned, "Hey you know, her music really reminds me of that Brizilian kind of sound. She's even cited Latin music as huge influence." Outside of this just applying to Oka, there are also other correlations like Japanese soccer themes for television being composed in the the style of a jazzy samba. So it really got us thinking more deeply into there being a connection here.
I have not really explored Brazilian jazz very much outside of the well know Bossa Nova songs from the 50s and 60s, but of course Bossa has evolved since then. It seemed to've morphed into a sound that's been colloquially shuffled into a genre, "Música popular brasileira" (MPB). What I find particularly interesting about MPB is the focus and concentration placed on matching the harmony with the timing and meaning behind lyrics, which can be quite chromatic by consequence!
A beautiful example~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EjFQDYIWZY
(On a side note: it also occurred to me that 16th century madrigals also had this lyrical-harmonic objective, which of course had the tendency to be adventurously chromatic! There's a good video demonstrating this with subtitles, you can clearly understand how the music changes color with the lyrical content: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVW8GCnr9-I )
So anyway, I'm thinking there must be some kind of not-so-widely known history between Brazil and Japan. A history that is likely more obvious and taken for granted in those countries. Perhaps much like the history behind why the Dutch and Canadians are best friends(betcha didn't know that!) There has to be a point in which you can see how, when, why and where the cross-pollination happened. There are a few wikipedia articles that support this proposed correlation at a glance, but there's really not too much information there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazilians_in_Japan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_Brazilian
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil%E2%80%93Japan_relations
"According to a 2013 BBC World Service Poll, 71% of Brazilians view Japan's influence positively, with only 10% expressing a negative view, making Brazil one of the most pro-Japanese nations in the world."
There's also a lot to consider from this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_jazz
...which doesn't mention this idea of Brazilian influence, but I'm wondering if anyone has really had the reason or interest to investigate this angle.
Anyway, I'll be updating this thread as I do more research. I'll soon have my own website up where I'll be storing research like this and musical transcripts, but I thought maybe a few people here would be interested and curious about these things as well~
I'd also like to hear our resident BotBrazlians opinions on this!