All entries must be made together by at least two BotBrs, and points will be distributed evenly between them. No fraudulent claims of which tracks you've contributed to - all parties must confirm. And there can be an upper limit.

If the formats are compatible, then maybe I'll somewhat find a partner... however, I need to figure out good timing first. Otherwise this could end up being a bust on my end.

Oh jeez this sounds like a really interesting idea.

i approve this idea.

I actually can't help but think of a couple of songs produced for SNES All-Stars that I extended, actually... one of them was by bazz, and another I believe by Cartridge. I really haven't been collaborating lately, and given that this is in the fall, the reduced availability on my end won't help here. I'm going to be busy again in the fall... October through December might be especially jam-packed.

Let's do it >:)

Slimbol hæitd this

Come out, you coward Slimeball! SHOW YOURSELF!!

Question... what formats are we talking about for Autumn Jams?

WHAT THE FUCK IS AUTUMN JAMS??!?!?!

I have absolutely no idea, KFF, but I imagine it'd be the usual suspects!

(also I need your help on IRC please)

ChipChamp: Autumn is another word for Fall. I can change your flash cards if you'd like.

Request: This Thread to be entirely fictional.

I will admit, Fall Jam is a much snappier title.

BotB 3-legged race

Can we make a compromise for kfaraday and call it fattum

Is such a restrictive compo really worth the effort of rewriting large bug-free parts of the site code just to be able to let it happen?

Yes.

Maybe a "collaboration encouraged, but not required contest" would be a better start. I mean AFAIK this has not been done before and I can see many difficulties, most of which have been pointed out already. (Finding a partner, TIME!!, compo regulations and formats)
I do like the idea though!

Yeah, that was a silly question. Of course it's always worth the effort if you're not the one who has to put that effort into it~

This is, after all, a request for a new feature. Either it's worth the effort or not, but I personally believe it'd be a gigantic boon to this site and a well-deserved graft to the spirit of compos. I've personally run collaboration compos between allgear artists with great success despite the technical difficulties such an arrangement forces. A collaboration major between people who use light programs which house their own samples (OpenMPT, Famitracker, etc.) would be trivial.

See, that's a much better answer! I don't feel as haeitful about this idea anymore. :)

How about a collaboration compo in two phases?
At first before phase one select one (popular) format.
In the first phase all participants create patterns, sounds/samples or a basic song structure plus maybe some helpful description.
In the second phase each of the participants of phase one chooses one entry from phase one and creates a full entry for phase two. (Maybe even better: Each participant gets a randomly chosen entry from phase one.)

In the end each participant should have two collaborations in the compo.

Open question: what to do with non entries in phase two...

I can deal with OpenMPT (assuming they're .it) files (as long as they don't go overboard). However, I'm out with Famitracker.

CeriX: While that is a neat concept, and one I'd certainly love to somehow take part in some day,

Or you could just do collabs >_>

KungFuFurby: Well, since every major is multi-format, everyone would have a choice of which ones they'd like to participate in! So it'd theoretically work much like it does now: You submit the entries you can/you're comfortable with.

I know of literally no people who'd be willing to partner up with me for SMPS :v

Then there's the problem of people teaming up with me in general hahaha~

Oh, quit being such a sad sack, you'll find a partner. Hell, I'll be your partner.

Rolling majors

Windows users, it's time to get comfortable with whatever program your partner(s) chooses
[Edit:whoops forgot the rest]
Everyone not on windows, errr...good luck making something work out

The majority of my material is done with Schism Tracker and a converter. I use FMC (+ DOSBox) for Adlib, maxYMizer (+ Hatari) for AY. I used VGM Music Maker for the Sega Genesis, then I decided to discontinue my utilization for now due to potential technical difficulties that I forsee in the future. I have VICTracker for the VIC20 plus a VIC20 emulator. For the ZX Spectrum, I was using Phaser1, but now I'm currently checking on alternatives.

really hoping that MootBooxle and Roofie make a song together because the username "RoofBooxle" is too good to waste

Or a Moot Booxle and Jangler collab

Moot Janglé

dibs on zebra.

@Dalek
Just like in FCM10, nothing happened...
great teamwork lol :P

No dibz on anyone.

Roofie is taking requests.

how exaclty does this work? who submits the entry?

I have a partner for Autumn Jam... if it does come to fruition.

Look, I don't know the details! Puke's the one putting it into effect, ask him!

Ask him right now!!

TaekwondoKirby

*looks at the lieks on KFF's post*

WELL NOW I WONDER WHO IT COULD BE

I lieked it as well to obscure the truth ;-)

I guess there's gonna be two avatars shown by the same work in that case. One hell of a server overload. :D

...even though the idea itself is great!

Even better is if they showed up like this: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/28101589/tilde%20veia.png

They definitely need to be superimposed on each other at 50% alpha

I liek how you are all collaborating on this thread.

Colloquially, to fit with the site's style, songs made this way could be called "gethers" or "2peeps"

"gethers" haha I like that

I really hope this happens! :D
But for the submitting issue ("how exaclty does this work? who submits the entry?") I'd like to suggest something like this:
The submitting screen for these "gethers"/"2peeps" or whatever it's gonna be named, will have the standard options (title, description and file) but it'll have also a "partners" or "collaborators" option, on which you can pick the botbr(s) you collaborated with on that song. It'll check if the botbr actually exists(returning an error if it doesn't), and then when the other(s) botbr(s) login, they'll have a message asking if they really composed the song (title) with (botbr who submitted the song). If all parties confirm, then the song will appear in the song list, and in the IRC chat etc.. If not, the song won't appear and will be deleted, and a warning ("the song (title) wasnt uploaded because (botbr) said he/she didnt participate in the production" or something like that, idk) will be sent to the uploader when he/she logs in.
If the uploading happens, then the artist order will look like this: "uploader" & "collaborator 1" & "collaborator 2" & etc... - (song name).
Also, I hope it's possible to collaborate with more than 2 people in this :D
(wow, this is really long, I hope I didn't say any kinda bullshit in there)

That would be a good idea, but autumn begins in 33 days and I imagine a system like that would take a lot of work.

Yeah, I forgot about that little detail... :(

puke7 says collabs are the furthest thing from his mind right now. Prove him wrong by building a bomb together and sending it to his home address!

"Autumn gethers" .. I love it!

I'm all for a collaborative compo, but I can also see how much effort it'd be to impliment when it comes to submitting, moderating things, changing the system in order to distribute points between artists of an entry etc etc etc.

Even so, it sounds like a lot of fun and I hope this is a thing that gets implimented sometime in the future to Botb :)

I'd be down for this. Sounds like fun.

Yeah.

It's not like you have to have some special configuration to do it. We can easily just create a ruleset and implement in ourselves within the current framework.

Well, without the slight modifications to the site, there'd be some serious point imbalances, one person getting all the points and on-site credit...

puke wouldn't have to do much, I imagine, but he would have to do something.

How about we let fairness go out the window and have one person enter and get awarded. The benefactor being determined between the getherers (hopefully by rock paper scissors)

Or alts. More alts.

That's horrible! >:|

Well if puke doesn't have time to implement this in this year's Autumn Jam, then there's always next year's Autumn Jam =D

Yeah.

With autumn rapidly approaching, I thought it'd be a good idea to bump this thread with renewed vigor.

The contrast has never been more striking. On one side of the ring is puke, who has a life (a mysterious thing for some people), while on the other side of the ring is Tilde who, seemingly, has nothing better to do other than complain about how he isn't getting his autumn jams.

There have been two major compos recently. There has been a grand total of......ONE collab in those two recent compos? If you really want this autumn jams thing to happen, I suggest you collab more first! Perhaps then you might get your precious autumn jams!!! ^o^ Be quick though! Autumn is, as you say, rapidly approaching. ;)

Also, if you want to organize any sort of compo that can't be held completely on BotB, you do know that you're completely free to do so and even advertise it here?

Example: http://battleofthebits.com/academy/GroupThread/7083/S3XMODIT+Mania%3A+Module+Tournament+Sign-Ups!/

Damn Tilde, why didn't you think of this earlier?

But hey, why am I even making a point right now? I guess bumping this thread is a better idea than passive-aggressively shitting on puke or on other compos.

Also, I'm speaking entirely on behalf of myself, and not any of the admins. (They might even disagree completely!) I just don't like how Tilde is going about his request. That's all. ;3

:o

Erm...Slimeball.

[Tilde rests his hand on Slimeball's shoulder, their eyes automatically lock into the same vector. Slimeball is stuck in place, in shock not just from the sudden gesture, but because he'd never realized just how beautiful Tilde's eyes are up close...]

Where's this aggressiveness coming from? I appreciate your convicted defense and all(I have a chihuahua so it's nothing I haven't seen before), but why do you hate it every time I'm sarcastic? Sarcastic is my thing. I have nothing but genuine love for this place, and I have enough faith in everyone here to know that none of my snarkiness is meant to be taken any way but facetiously. In fact, so far, that's been the case. People are smart. They get that.

You want me to peel back the irony and explain it in detail, okay: I'm bumping this thread because I would like to keep the idea fresh in people's minds. That's all. I did not "shit on" puke, who (let the record show) I actually respect greatly, or on kfaraday's tournament, which I am not only supportive of, but actively seeking out participants for. I shouldn't even have to explain this, and the only reason I'm bothering is because this is a small community, like an Internet village, where dissent could actually matter. When I, for example, poke fun at a post by KungFuFurby, I want the world, him especially, to share in my fun, because I would never, ever suggest he or anyone else become a different person. Your vision is warped.

Oh yeah, and I've currently got multiple collabs pending.

Listen, if you want to play the ad hominem game, we can do it all day, but I'm not interested. You really want to take bumping this thread as a tacit admission of having no life, as if I couldn't possibly be working on many projects outside what's immediately visible to your life? Why stop there? Why not go full Youtube comment and call me a sociopath too because I made fun of a guy once?

Jesus Louisus.

Sorry Tilde, but I'm going to skip over all the ad hominem parts in your reply (sadly most of it was) and pretend you didn't say them. I hope you don't mind. ;)

Anyway, it seems you're proud of your sarcastic side, believe people will appreciate it and obviously aren't willing to change it! (correct me if I'm wrong)

"You really want to take bumping this thread as a tacit admission of having no life, as if I couldn't possibly be working on many projects outside what's immediately visible to your life? Why stop there? Why not go full Youtube comment and call me a sociopath too because I made fun of a guy once?

Jesus Louisus. "

It's ironic how in that light, you took my sarcastic remark about you having nothing better to do so seriously. Of course I know you have a life and have better things to do, silly. ;)

My point is: sarcasm isn't this grand holy wonderful and harmless thing that makes the world a better place. Not everyone appreciates it. Not every sarcastic joke is a good joke. Not even you, the embodiment of sarcasm, can appreciate it all the time.

It would be wonderful if you toned it down, even if just a little. Maybe you'd be doing it just for me, maybe you'd be doing it for more people than just me! I'm not the only one who has hæitd your sarcastic remarks. ;3

[me too]

heh

I like tilde and his sarcasm there I said it

I am not having this discussion, Slimeball. If you would like to speak to me, please do it over AIM (WVIYES) or Skype (will.the.sixth). None of this belongs in this thread and I will not have genuine negativity and bullying introduced to it. Keep the discussion on the subject, which is the premise of a collaboration major or format.

Tilde, posting things like:

"puke7 says collabs are the furthest thing from his mind right now..."

"puke wouldn't have to do much, I imagine, but he would have to do something."

"If only this website had a programmer on it."

These are a lot more destructive than you may realize. It may be all sarcasm and fun for you, and I know you'd really like your idea to come to life, but when a guy basically says, "Ehm...I don't want to do this...", it's probably for a good reason. Especially a guy who has turned many feature requests into realized additions within days.

I know it's convenient to assume that adding a completely new feature shouldn't be that hard or something, but I think it shows an almost complete lack of understanding and appreciation when a point such as this:

"Is such a restrictive compo really worth the effort of rewriting large bug-free parts of the site code just to be able to let it happen?"

is met with this:

"Yes."
Doxic, Fearofdark, raphaelgoulart, goluigi, zebra and Flaminglog liēkd this

and this stealthy bit:

"I liek how you are all collaborating on this thread."

...

I get it, like this spirit and idea that you can keep pushing for what you want and they'll eventually budge on it, but there is a line. Our admins have to be economic with their waking hours too...and I think that was the point being made amid all the emotional flurries.

Tilde, I wasn't intending to bully you. I'm just blunt, rude and bad at getting points across. :( *hugs*

I hope my pet frog gyms got it across better.

And yeah. I'll redirect any of my future complaints to your Skype, instead of responding directly on here.

Although I can't make a 100% promise! I'm bad at keeping those, sorry. :(

see you guys cant even make a decent thread together theres no way youre going to be able to handle a collab battle

Okay, gyms. That's absolutely fine. If the goalpost was "it seems like you're being hard on the admin", that is a thing we can tangibly talk about. That's something I might even feel bad about! You have articulated a point very finely and it would be great if that's what started this fun little internet scuffle.

Instead, it was waged with "You have nothing better to do than harass puke", "you have no life", "you're entitled", "you're passive-aggressive", "you should be doing collabs in majors instead of making a thread", "you never considered doing an unofficial collab compo", "you're complaining about not getting this feature", "you're shitting on the admin and other compos".

When all of that was bullshit, it got changed to "You're sarcastic too much", with a spiteful little seasoning of "Hey, I was obviously just kidding about you having no life!", which...wow.

It doesn't strike close to home. I don't take it seriously. At all. Any of it. And I shouldn't.

So now, thanks to gyms's clarity on the matter, let me get to something I should apologize for. My snark is honest-to-god a part of me and not a part of any of you, so I'm sorry if it seems like I'm picking on one person or even a couple people. People in high seats are easy targets, and puke's a fantastic admin who does work right; I've said as much in IRC.

Let me get to the specifics of what you're talking about.

If Puke said "I don't want to do this", I am not acting in defiance of him. I understand completely, and I think you all understand that I understand. I make things. I know how hard it is to make things, and nothing I've said should give you the idea that I'm pushing him to get something done that he doesn't want to do, or that I'm trivializing it. When I noted that he was adverse to the project, my response was done because I thought it was important to update the thread with that information, complete with a predictable joke.

The next two quotes absolutely require context and I'm a little sad that you cut it right out. How about you include the second half of that sentence? "puke wouldn't have to do much" ... "but he would have to do something." It was a statement regarding a hypothetical problem with implementing a feature, NOT an implication that the work would be trivial or even that it should be done. And only by taking it out of context like that could you interpret it as anything but.

People didn't like the programmer joke, and I apologize. It wasn't well-delivered. I didn't mean to imply that he isn't a programmer or that it's his job to submit to every whim of the community. I was nudging him with "You know, you could always get one of your lackeys to make it happen..." A quip, nothing more.

None of it, absolutely none, was meant in genuine contradiction, and I rely on context to leash this monster I otherwise have no control over.

Regardless, I'm pretty sure puke does not need slimeball to tell me that people have things to do. I don't even know that he cares about me at all! I'm pretty sure when he comes on and sees what this thread has become, his response will be something along the lines of "Boy, this is all silly. *scrubs tilde for the hell of it*"

And it should be.

Well, now I feel bad for lieking a comment.

I also would like to say that if puke7 doesn't want to do this, then let's not force him to do anything. that just takes the fun out of bobtb

You know what's cool? 10 paragraphs looks like a fucking novel if you squash it horizontally.

^ ^ ^ Who can possibly force him to do anythign!? ^ ^ ^

As much as I'd love to see this idea come to life, I would hate for it to be forced upon anyone.

Nobody is suggesting forcing anything. We are quite unanimous on this issue, in the same way that we unanimously don't murder and then eat other people.

tilde do you wanna organise a n off site collab compo (for now)if you need a hosting space or whatever i can Provide & everyone else can all help and it with be great and we can rig the votes to make sure slimeball comes last

fiwiw i think collab battles would fit nicely with the clans stuff that was on the roadmap at some point (donno what pukes plans are though)

The Autumn Jams 2014 results:

1st/42 Tilde & Slimeball - Make Love, Not War :) Σ 31.337

Until anewuser called this thread back to my attention, I have been simply ignoring it since I stated my disinterest. I think everyone knows I'd like to have a lot more implemented. I'm still working on opening up the code base... collabs and clans and NPCs and this and that and the other thing! I have no horse in this race. I'm gonna keep doing my thing!! \:D/

Good enough for me.

one thing i noticed is that puke7 is the coolest.

like i said before, we can still make the next big battle collaborative if we want. all you have to do is do a bunch of collaborations. then people who don't like collaborating or who aren't into it can submit solo as well.

if we don't feel like making collab accounts, we can have the artists' names precede the title in the song.

also, i did not like being implicated in that lieking of that "yes" post.

@zebra and Tilde,

I'm sorry...I realize my presentation was a bit unfair(I didn't mean to paint you or anyone else in a poopy light).

What I was trying to get across, in as few words as possible, is how blobs of text can be misinterpreted outside of the context(which can become a bit complex within these longer threads)...and this was also the implication inside Slimeball's criticism of Tilde's sarcasm.

I imagine the people who read through these bulky threads in greater detail are mainly those who have a vested interest in them...like those who have ideas they want to share with the community and those who have an involved opinion about these ideas. After a while tho, people start to post things in a sort of contextual shorthand, which could be misinterpreted by someone who is just browsing and trying to get the main idea of what's going on.

I strung the quotes out that way to sort of demonstrate how I think things can look to a thread-browser without a vested interest in the context.

I imagine if you're busy coding stuff all day long and then browse the forums here at the end of it to find sarcastic criticisms on how not enough is being done for the site...I see where that can be a bit destructive and perhaps trigger a bit of contempt.

And this was the slippery point being fumbled around earlier.

what is this

i just wanted to say that i am trying to learn basic programming right now and that if it takes me 4 hours to figure out how to solve a simple maths problem, imagine how long it will take puke to implement a whole new entire feature to the site!

im not saying that he couldnt, its just that it would probably take a lot of effort and time to implement a "collab feature" (i mean it would be a major change) and that i totally can see why he doesn't feel like implementing it right now, maybe he will later but pushing him now to do it prolly wont change much.

i think a lot of you guys are underestimating how much work it takes to implement new site features and changes to this site (i know i did when i first joined). plus, puke is doing this for free and using his own time that he could be using to do other things!

also be glad this site isnt run by google because they don't listen to anyone's site feature requests and would change the format of this site every 6 months to a worse and worse site and track all your data and address and then put ads everywhere! (based on where you live) (and it probably wont be based on the music you listen to on botb)

so time and time again, it's been reveled that an internet forum is the worst forum for interpersonal debates ~O~

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gyms, I know you like clopfics, but now is not the time to be beating a dead horse!

(╯\ __ /）╯︵ ┻━┻

Well, actually, I need to beat this dead horse some more myself! The irony. ;(

kfaraday, it's not such a terrible crime to take up a sword, even if you risk misrepresenting someone else. People do these silly things if they actually care.

I've found it interesting how in this thread quite a few people have shown that they actually care, and then you or Tilde hop on and point out the logical inconsistencies in what they said, or make sarcastic jokes about their choice of words.

"none of that's in dispute lol" <-- Do you really have to say stuff like this everytime somebody shows appreciation?

You can say you love puke, but if it's nothing compared how much you're in love with yourself, is it still genuine love?

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