Fatal Lyceum Abuse
BotB Academy Bulletins
 
 
22174
Level 25 Chipist
HertzDevil
 
 
 
post #22174 :: 2013.01.26 5:56pm :: edit 2013.01.26 6:06pm
  
  goluigi, commandycan, Soiled Bargains and Slimeball liēkd this
I had 2837 points before. I was at level 12. Remove as many pedagogist points as it takes to get me back to 2837.

This is a serious crime committed by pasting a lot of characters to an interim Lyceum article and then removing all the character dump. The fatal bug is that, in the removing of Lyceum text, at most 1638 points can be removed, leading to an inconsistency when more than 16385 letters are inserted.

Goluigi made a non-null Lyceum article about this: http://battleofthebits.com/lyceum/View/The+Pedagogist+Lyceum+Article+Exploit/

EDIT: Also, judging from the massive response over IRC, it seems there is a points log for every BotBr. I hope this is true (I was joining an OHC shortly before the abuse, so i might have more "legitimate" points than 2837 at the moment).
 
 
22177
Level 29 Mixist
goluigi
 
 
 
post #22177 :: 2013.01.26 6:09pm
  
  Slimeball liēkd this
Kajingsol was screwing around too and testing it so he leveled up a lot as well. I think he was level 9 or something earlier.

Don't mummify them though!!! It was a test!
 
 
22178
Level 21 Chipist
jrlepage
 
 
 
post #22178 :: 2013.01.26 6:10pm :: edit 2013.01.26 6:22pm
  
  Tuxxy Brown, skinnyhead2000, goluigi, Slimeball and Jangler hæitd this
  
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One person messing around with it is a test. Two people joining afterwards knowing full well the implications of it is cheating. If it were just up to me, you two would be banned.
 
 
22180
Level 29 Mixist
goluigi
 
 
 
post #22180 :: 2013.01.26 6:14pm :: edit 2013.01.26 6:21pm
I leveled myself back down though because I made sure not to do too many characters.

I went to level 13 then deleted all the characters so now I'm level 12 again. I was about 100-150 points from level 13 and so I went back to there so now the pedagogist points I earned are from the lyceum article I made here itself.

I think after this, it's cheating. I mean only one person doing it isn't really testing it, it's more of a discovery and then two people tested it, one of them going a bit overboard but still.

We should just fix the glitch and then level them back down to where they were earlier. Kajingsol told me he was 10 points from level 9 and hertzdevil said here he was at 2837.
 
 
22181
Level 31 chipist
Chip Champion
 
 
 
post #22181 :: 2013.01.26 6:15pm
  
  Xyz, Tuxxy Brown, Soiled Bargains, Baron Knoxburry, Jangler, mootbooxle, Interrobang Pie, Warlord and goluigi liēkd this
if it were up for me, you two would be bananas
 
 
22182
Level 29 Mixist
goluigi
 
 
 
post #22182 :: 2013.01.26 6:16pm
quick let's see how high the points ceiling is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
 
22184
Level 22 Playa
xterm
 
 
 
post #22184 :: 2013.01.26 6:30pm
  
  Tuxxy Brown, HertzDevil, Slimeball and goluigi liēkd this
jrlepage, no need to get too harsh - puke has the ability to manually subtract points, so he will be able to put everything back once he fixes the bug.
 
 
22188
Level 30 Chipist
Warlord
 
 
 
post #22188 :: 2013.01.26 6:39pm
  
  Slimeball and goluigi hæitd this
  
  zanzan, Chip Champion, jrlepage, Soiled Bargains and Jangler liēkd this
I'm pretty sure puke7 would have better use for his time than to clean up the mess after certain folks intentionally use such exploits (now that the bug is known).
 
 
22189
Level 29 Mixist
goluigi
 
 
 
post #22189 :: 2013.01.26 6:43pm :: edit 2013.01.26 6:47pm
  
  HertzDevil, Soiled Bargains and null1024 liēkd this
probably after now though

edit: it could probably be that you get 5 points for any lyceum article you make and 3 points for editing? like a flat rate amount of points you can get instead of basing it on characters you typed in an article.
 
 
22196
Level 28 Chipist
null1024
 
 
 
post #22196 :: 2013.01.26 7:38pm
  
  goluigi and HertzDevil liēkd this
Yeah, a flat-rate makes more sense, period. Nothing else here is paid out based on size of submission.
 
 
22208
Level 28 Chipist
Jangler
 
 
 
post #22208 :: 2013.01.26 8:15pm
  
  HertzDevil, goluigi, Soiled Bargains and Slimeball liēkd this
interesting week this has been
 
 
22210
Level 29 Mixist
goluigi
 
 
 
post #22210 :: 2013.01.26 8:26pm :: edit 2013.01.26 8:32pm
  
  kleeder and Slimeball liēkd this
  
  Chip Champion hæitd this
okay we've determined level 34 :)

Level 33 is the reasonable limit. We've gotten to 1159735 points.

Level 34 is 98840289 points away which means to reach level 34, you will need 100000024 points which is 99999999 points without the n00b points :)

Anyone want to try to get there legitimately? ;)

EDIT: http://puu.sh/1Tfds proof :) (this was like 2 minutes older)
 
 
22211
Level 25 Chipist
HertzDevil
 
 
 
post #22211 :: 2013.01.26 8:33pm :: edit 2013.01.26 8:34pm
  
  goluigi liēkd this
So say that I am working on a non-troll lyceum article. I am. Markup text themselves should not be awarded for boons, that's for sure otherwise articles like the ! spam can still happen by replacing them with bold/oblique/underline brackets that contain no text. Thus it is computationally difficult to reward BotBrs with boons proportional to the size of text inserted.

Maybe pedagogist points should be given daily?
 
 
22213
Level 11 OHCist
Kajingsol
 
 
post #22213 :: 2013.01.26 8:37pm
  
  jrlepage hæitd this
  
  goluigi liēkd this
I'm actually at level 9 now that I got a bunch more other points. You can just delete all my pedagogist points if you'd like that.
 
 
22215
Level 21 Chipist
jrlepage
 
 
 
post #22215 :: 2013.01.26 8:42pm
  
  Slimeball, Soiled Bargains, HertzDevil and goluigi hæitd this
  
  Strobe liēkd this
I like how you guys are all like "yeah you can delete my points", as if that's ALL puke7 has to do around here.
 
 
22217
Level 29 Mixist
goluigi
 
 
 
post #22217 :: 2013.01.26 8:50pm :: edit 2013.01.26 8:50pm
  
  Chip Champion, Soiled Bargains, jrlepage and Jangler hæitd this
I assume something like editing the amount of points a BotBr has is a one-click process or some small coding edit so it probably shouldn't take more than a minute.

Of course, I could be wrong because I don't know how this site works :)
 
 
22223
Level 16 OHCist
Soiled Bargains
 
 
post #22223 :: 2013.01.26 8:57pm :: edit 2013.01.26 8:59pm
  
  Slimeball, jrlepage, goluigi and Jangler liēkd this
You'd be surprised what things puke7 has to do by directly modifying databases, n00b.
 
 
22226
Level 29 Mixist
goluigi
 
 
 
post #22226 :: 2013.01.26 9:03pm
i have stated many times that i am a level 12 n00b, my ohcist status lies!
 
 
22227
Level 28 Chipist
Jangler
 
 
 
post #22227 :: 2013.01.26 9:03pm
  
  HertzDevil and goluigi liēkd this
u r sociopath
 
 
22228
Level 28 Chipist
Jangler
 
 
 
post #22228 :: 2013.01.26 9:05pm
  
  Interrobang Pie, Slimeball, HertzDevil and goluigi liēkd this
sociopath.
 
 
22261
Level 31 chipist
Chip Champion
 
 
 
post #22261 :: 2013.01.27 5:58am
  
  goluigi, Soiled Bargains, null1024, Slimeball, Warlord and HertzDevil liēkd this
regarding the exploit account... the whole point of the mummi, troll, zombi, tags is that pukes doesnt have an easy way to delete accounts.
 
 
22264
Level 22 Chipist
Beard
 
 
 
post #22264 :: 2013.01.27 7:01am
  
  Soiled Bargains and jrlepage hæitd this
  
  HertzDevil and goluigi liēkd this
the exploit account to a testing account to see how high one can go without hurting anyone

Now I hope that nobody does this on a legit account. Puke'll fix it, it's not really hurting anyone most likely, so it's not worth banning for.
 
 
22300
Level 29 Hostist
puke7
 
 
 
post #22300 :: 2013.01.27 11:46am :: edit 2013.01.27 11:47am
  
  kleeder, HertzDevil, ElHuesudoII, goluigi, Jangler, Tuxxy Brown, Soiled Bargains and Chip Champion liēkd this
I am nonplussed to say the least. "Hey, puke, have fun on your date while your phone blows up with obviously hacky level up messages!" Ok, thanks guys? Oh yeah? You just want me to reverse a bunch of horse shit manually in the database? I can just write a little code and fix it up? How about you all make a $50 donation each before I reset your points? Sorry to say it, but I'm old, grumpy and my time is worth more than this bullshit. :P

*making an account just to test the waters was the best way to go (easiest to deal with for me). Of course, if you wanted to know all the level points you could have just looked here : http://battleofthebits.com/lyceum/View/BotBr%20Level%20Ups
 
 
22302
Level 31 chipist
Chip Champion
 
 
 
post #22302 :: 2013.01.27 11:57am
  
  HertzDevil, goluigi, Jangler, Baron Knoxburry and Slimeball liēkd this
oh SNAP
 
 
22303
Level 14 Pixelist
Tuxxy Brown
 
 
post #22303 :: 2013.01.27 12:09pm :: edit 2013.01.27 12:09pm
  
  HertzDevil liēkd this
puke's not going to help thanks a lot SHERWYN for thinking only our ACTUAL friends have lives and not thinking about other people here on BOTB
 
 
22316
Level 28 Chipist
Jangler
 
 
 
post #22316 :: 2013.01.27 12:44pm
  
  goluigi, jrlepage, Tuxxy Brown, zanzan and Soiled Bargains liēkd this
Trying to justify the exploitation by acting like it was some sort of bug-finding service is BS too, and it's insulting that you're trying to pass it off as such. There was no "problem" until you guys decided to use the lyceum in a way in which it was obviously not intended to be used. You can also rack up points by adding a bunch of useless tags to entries (as lyceumexploiter did in order to get to level 7), or by making alt accounts and submitting a bunch of useless entries to your own OHBs. These are not problems at all unless someone decides to abuse the systems; the lyceum has been around for years without anyone else exploting it (AFAIK).

BotB development is a one-man show right now, and there are better uses for its development time than manually editing database fields and adding behavioral restrictions that wouldn't have otherwise needed to be implemented.

P.S. claiming ignorance is a stupid strategy at best, but it's especially not likely to work when I explicitly told you that resetting the data you messed up would probably involve "mucking around in MySQL". If you didn't know what MySQL was, you should have looked it up. At the very least, the phrase "mucking around" does not imply to me a "one-click process".
 
 
22317
Level 16 OHCist
Soiled Bargains
 
 
post #22317 :: 2013.01.27 12:46pm :: edit 2013.01.27 1:31pm
  
  Slimeball liēkd this
puke7, can we edit the Lyceum with good faith edits, or would you prefer that we wait until you've finished your course of action? I don't want to add to the clutter (EDIT: of others) despite my urge to edit a few articles.
 
 
22318
Level 29 Hostist
puke7
 
 
 
post #22318 :: 2013.01.27 1:06pm
  
  Slimeball liēkd this
I've assessed the basics of the situation. I'm not gung-ho on getting shit fixed, but I'll be doing it today. Kind of on the fence if I should try making some tools or just manually hunt and peck the DB.
 
 
22322
Level 31 Chipist
Strobe
 
 
 
post #22322 :: 2013.01.27 2:12pm
  
  kleeder, Soiled Bargains and Slimeball liēkd this
  
  zanzan hæitd this
I've been observing this silently, and I have tried my hardest to come up with a response. I think I'll settle with "=o".
 
 
22323
Level 25 Mixist
gyms
 
 
 
post #22323 :: 2013.01.27 2:16pm
  
  zanzan, Chip Champion, Strobe and Soiled Bargains liēkd this
"what on earth?"
 
 
22325
Level 31 Chipist
Strobe
 
 
 
post #22325 :: 2013.01.27 2:22pm
  
  zanzan hæitd this
  
  goluigi and Jangler liēkd this
Both works, but "what on earth" is more "how did this happen??!" and "=o" is more about "when are people going to stop this"

So I guess the more accurate version (2.0) would be "what on earth =o"
 
 
22326
Level 29 Hostist
puke7
 
 
 
post #22326 :: 2013.01.27 2:28pm
Strobe, why can't you IRC anymore? q____Q
 
 
22327
Level 16 OHCist
Soiled Bargains
 
 
post #22327 :: 2013.01.27 2:29pm
  
  HertzDevil and goluigi liēkd this
It must be a totally difference experience not being #1. All of those fancy luxuries like integrated pizza ordering... gone.
 
 
22328
Level 31 Chipist
Strobe
 
 
 
post #22328 :: 2013.01.27 2:33pm
  
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  goluigi liēkd this
Uncle Puke7 i'm not at home, so I haven't really been ircing lately.
Just been browsing the forum and giggling a bit and waiting for you to snap. I might be home tomorrow though for massive unlimited IRCing!
 
 
22329
Level 29 Mixist
goluigi
 
 
 
post #22329 :: 2013.01.27 2:33pm
  
  Tuxxy Brown and Slimeball liēkd this
puke7, I apologize for the trouble I caused here, I didn't really know it had such drastic effects. When I was told it was database editing, I thought that was easy, but it isn't apparently. Then again, I don't know much about websites.

Also, no one knew what level 34 was lol, I updated that with the exploit, but of course that was a silly reason to I guess. I should know what's behind all this newfangled website technology.
 
 
22333
Level 22 Playa
xterm
 
 
 
post #22333 :: 2013.01.27 2:56pm
  
  Slimeball and goluigi liēkd this
sorry i acted like correcting the points manually was easy. hopefully i didn't contribute to the mess too much :(
 
 
22334
Level 16 OHCist
Soiled Bargains
 
 
post #22334 :: 2013.01.27 3:00pm
  
  Slimeball and goluigi liēkd this
Some of you guys need to install XAMPP and Wordpress or somethin'. Then open up phpMyAdmin and see the ugly, raw form of a database. :3
 
 
22339
Level 22 Playa
xterm
 
 
 
post #22339 :: 2013.01.27 3:58pm
  
  goluigi and Slimeball liēkd this
soiled, actually i'm too far in the other direction. i work with databases every day for my job so i'm desensitized to that kind of nonsense hassle ;)
 
 
22340
Level 16 OHCist
Soiled Bargains
 
 
post #22340 :: 2013.01.27 4:01pm
  
  xterm and Slimeball liēkd this
Oh, I know, that's why I said "some of you" instead of "you guys."
 
 
22384
Level 16 OHCist
Soiled Bargains
 
 
post #22384 :: 2013.01.27 6:44pm
*"some of you guys"
 
 
22390
Level 24 Chipist
Interrobang Pie
 
 
 
post #22390 :: 2013.01.27 7:28pm
  
  Soiled Bargains hæitd this
  
  Slimeball, goluigi and Kajingsol liēkd this
While you're painstakingly editing the database, could you make my aura permanently white + hearts and make it so that every time you click my name little hearts fly out of your computer and give you little smooches <3
 
 
22402
Level 29 Mixist
goluigi
 
 
 
post #22402 :: 2013.01.27 9:03pm
  
  Interrobang Pie and puke7 liēkd this
I will take this scrub punishment with stride for my very bad deed.
 
 
22403
Level 11 OHCist
Kajingsol
 
 
post #22403 :: 2013.01.27 9:05pm :: edit 2013.01.27 9:06pm
  
  goluigi, puke7 and Jangler liēkd this
Scrubbing the floors to wash out this spot.
Out, damned spot! Out, I say!
 
 

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