heya

since pixel got removed from ohbs, there is no way to get pixelist points via ohbs, because the only two formats giving pixel points (pixel and chipbattleart) are both major-only now.

im in support for keeping both formats ohb-blocked, but i also think it wld be cool if people were able to get pixel points from ohbing.

ansi art and also teletext are very pixel-based. i think they fit way better as pixel-formats rather than gfxist formats.
ascii is debatable, but shld belong to pixelist too imo

and because arguing about "the aesthetic of" seems to be exhausting nowadays, i wld say "formats aiming for older, more limited hardware/systems should go into pixelist" seems like a much better way to classify a format into one or another format type.

i like the idea of getting pixelist points via OHB and, as a tangent the idea of earning pixelist points setting a 25 boons custom flag

bunp

2 cents on the matter: i don't really care all that much about it, one way or another it's just making art which is the point behind both of the classes. i will say tho that it makes more sense for ansi and teletext to be in pixelist with users' reliance on block art in both formats (myself included) so mb a type change is in order when talking abt those 2? ascii i will argue against since it doesn't rely on blockart so much if at all, but again art is art pal ✌✌✌

maybe ascii format as well? some of my entries are derived from xpm files during the elaboration process

ascii would not fit into "pixelist" but if "pixelist' was renamed to "retroGraphicist" then it would make more sense

ascii should be under 'textist' if ever that comes around..

It would probably make more sense to move ascii, ansi and teletext into a sort of text mode based class

They all share the same sort of restrictions and usage: a canvas with a set amount of lines that consists of mostly text based characters and a few graphic ones

iunno i feel like having them in their own class would overcomplicate things? i mean don't get me wrong, they would fit in a class of their own as much as the pixel-based ones do, i think it'd just be one class too much for me. hell, the pixelist class i think is a little overspecific to be it's own thing, that's mainly why i think classes like ansi and teletext (especially the latter since block art there is much more fluid than ansi) should be in pixelist

tho i really can't complain as there is much reason for ansi, ascii, etc, to be in its own class. if anything, this could lead to a writing format in the future but idk if there are many people clamoring for it now; that and past incidents but that's like nearly a decade ago so i feel like that's not as much of a factor as is demand

ascii is for art, not literature. its more gfxist than text

............,;:clox0XXNNNNNNNWWWWWWNNWWWWWXKOxdddddxkKNWWWWWWWMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
....':oxOOO0KXNWWMMMMMMMMWMMWWWWWNXXK0OkxxddxkO0KKKkdodkKXNWMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
0000KNWWWWWWWWWMMMMWWWNNXK00OkxxdoodxxkOOOKXKOO00OkkO00kdoldXMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
MMMWWWWNNXXXKK0OkkkxxxxkkkkkkxdoooldxkkkkkxxOkkKNXO00k0KXXdcOWMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
MMMMXkxxxkkOOkkkO00OOOO0KKK0Okdodkxooxxd0XOdxkkKN0kOO0XX0KXdxNWWWMMMMMMWWWWMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
MMMM0oONNWNWWWWNNXOxKKdoxkxxxkxxxOkddk0OxOK0dld0XOddkNWKOKWKk0K00KKNWWWNNNWMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
MMMMOoKNOxxx0XKK0Okx0XOkOkOKOkOkxxxdkO0Kkdd0KdlOXkldKXOk0NWNkx0KKKkONWNNNNWWWMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
MMWXxx0OoodlxKOOkOK0kOOO00XKOkKXXKkkOOOxkkolxd:colloooxkOOO0kk00KOx0NKdkXWWWWWWWWMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
WX0OKNK00kdkKOOXKOkkxkOkkOkxkOOKXOoxkxoc:::;;::codx0doOXXKkkOkkO00XNKo';kNWWWWWWWWMMWWWWWWWWWMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
XdxXWWKdlllxK0kOK0xoOXNNXOkOOkdodl::::ccc::;;,,':kk0Oldkkdd0XOxkKWNOc'..:0WWWWWWWWWWWWWNNNWWWWWWWWWNXXXXNNWMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
WOdOXN0ooocdKXkdkOdok0OOkdlooooooolc:;;,'........ckOOlokO0kO0kkdkKkoo:..'oXWWWWWWWWWWNNNNNNWWWWWXOdc;;;;;:cd0NWMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
NXkd0XKOxodOKOooxxdlloooollccc:,,'.......',;:::;,,cdOxodkX0xkOOoxXXXW0:..'dNWWWWWWWWWWWWNNWWWWXx:'';lddl,...,xWMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
NNKxxKKKkllodl:odooddol:;,'............;coolllllooodOOxkOx0kx0Kkd0WWWWk,..;kWWWWWN0xdoox0NWWWXo'.;xKNWNk;..'oXMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
XXX0xxK0dcodooldOdl:'...',;:clcc;.....'ll:d00K0OxooxxxxoxO0kdkXNkxXWWMXo'..cKWWKd:,'....;kNWWx'.:0WWWKo'..,xNMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
XKXX0dkK0dolldxlokxc'.,codxdoollo:.....cdokNWNXK0OodOxolo0XOddxKXxOWWWMXo'.'dKx;..'''....oXMNo..lXWNk:..cx0WMMMWWMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
KKKKXOdOKOxxxOKOllxd:;lxdddkOKkcco;....,lddKNkllcdOoxKo;:xNWKxodKKx0WMMMK:..,;..:oxxl,..'oXMNd..'x0o'.,dNMMMMMNxkNMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
KKKKKKkdOXXKkOKKOlcolooddO0kkO0kclo;....;ookOlcoxKWKxdddkXWWWklodOkkXMMMWx,...;xKWWWO;..'dNWWO;..',..cOWMMMMN0o,lXMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
KKKKKKKkx0XXOxkOK0oloddx0Oookkoxxclo;....:oodolkKXNNXKK0XWWWWOclooxoxNMWWXl'.;kNWWWWk,..:OWWWNk,....;dOOOOkdl,.:OWMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
KKKKKKK0kkKXXxlxXXOdooxkOOdoxKkcdd:cl,....coldxddxxkkkkdoONWNx:oddoooOWWWNx'.:ONNWMNo..'lkkdlxK0l,...''''''.',oKWMMWWWWMMMMMMMMMMMM
0KKKKKKK0xOXKkxk0NXxoloxxOK00XOco0x;cc'...'ccokdodxxxk000XWWXxccddldOx0WWW0:.,kNNWMXl..:k0KKo'dNN0xoccccllldkKWWNK0kxxdkKWMMMMMMMMM
00000KKKKOxO0xkOkKNKxllokKXXX0xodkko;lc....':lollodxO0XNNKOOOOkdx0OxKOxXWWXo.'dXNWMXl..:KWMWx,dNMMMWNNNNWWWWMWN0kkkO00Odo0WMMMMMMMM
000000KKK0xoxddkxkKNNXXNNXKK0xxdollxl:d:....'cllxxxk0XXXOodxxOkddkKkOXkkNNXx,.;:o0WWk;.'cxxdlxXMMMMMMWNXKK000KOkkOXWMMXkdONMMMMMMMM
O000000KK0kdkOkxdlok0KKKKkxkkxxxkxxOklod,....,lloookK0kxocdxlOKocxOk0WKxOKo,',:coOKKX0o;,:lox0NMMMMMN0kxxxxdoloxkXMWXOxdkXWMMMMMMMM
xOOO0000KK0kxdkOOdlx0Oxx0kdkOO000Okkko:lc.....;lc:cldlcoldOO0NNd;lxdOWNOdxxoxOKXNXkxOkxkOkkdcokO0NWNOxkKXXXXKkxxONMWN00XWMMMMWNNWMM
ckOOO00000kxxxddxllk0xkKNX00KXNK00kkOdclo,.....:ccoddoodkOkkKWNd;o0OxKNXkoOXXXXXX0dkX0dxkdxdodol:lKNOk0NWMMMMWKkx0WMMMMMMMN0O0OxkKW
'dkkO00000000xclocxOxkKKOxxxkOOxdkOkxxold:......;lodxkkxxdl:oXXo;xWXdoxxxooOXXX0kOOOOOxc:lkOkOKK00XWX0xONMMMMMMNOx0NWXXWWNOxolxkoxX
.:xOOO000KKKKOollcxdo0KxodO0xdxddkkddkd:l;.......,::c:::coxl:kKdcdXKooxxoooxXWXkxkOkdl:,,dKk0WMMMMMMMWWWMMMMMMMWKxdxkdoxO000xlolo0W
.lkkOO000KKKKOolldock0xdkKKOO0kxxxxxdllc...........''...,xx:oKOoldkdoolcx0xONNXKkxxxxkkONNkOWMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMNOoloO0kdddoxOKxxNM
‌ ‌'okOOO00KKKKKkoollcoOOdxOKXX0ooxolool:'............',;::odcck0kkxdddookXW0xKNNOdx0000OOOXKxOK00OO0KXWMMMMMMMMWNklcxNMWXK0KXWWNWMM
‌ ‌ ,dOOO000KKKKKxdxdoox0OxdxOKXOddllo:'..''',:::cclcloodooodxxxkxxKNNXOkXWWXxkNNkxKWWWWWNOkOdldxxxddoodkO00KKKKOxolxXMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
‌ ‌ .:xOOO00KKKKX0oxKK0kkK0OdlxXXOolxxc;:lloodxxxxxdodkOkoodkK0x0koO00K00NWWNkxXWXXWWWWWWNOddddOXWWWWX0kdllloodddxkKWMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
‌ ‌ ‌ ‌.ckOO00KKKKKKkoOXXOoxk00ll0XXkcoxxxxddddxxdx00xxxOX0dkOxkOk0000KXNWWWWX00XNWWWWWWWWNkdxkxkXWWWWMMMWWXK000KKXNWMMMMMMMMMMMWWMMMM
‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ 'dOO00KKKKKKKxd0Kxodk0Ooo0XXKdloloddoxkOkddxkoddldoldxkk0XNNWWWWWWWWKOXWWWWWWWWWWXkodkxkXWWWWWWMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ .:xOO00KKKKKX0dx0xdkOOkxOK0O0Kkdoodxddoodxdlcccc:cloxxkkkkkO000000K0OKWWWWWWWWWXOdldxx0NWWWWWWWWWMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌.lOOO00KKKKKX0dkKOkddk0XOoddddlodxdkxolooooc;;;::loddxkkOkkxddxkO0XNWWWWWWWNKkoloddkXWWWWWWWWNWWWWMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌.;xOOO00KKKKKXkoOXXkokOOxdkOOOxooooolccldd;,coxkkOOOOkkxdddxxkkkxxxkxxxxxdolcloooxOXWWWWWWNNNNNNNWWWMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ .ckOOO00KKKKKKxlxOkkO00KXXXXKOkkkoodclOo.'dxx0XNNKxx00XWWNKOkxddooolllcc:;:ldxk0NNNWWWWNNNNNNNNNNNWWMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌'dkOO000KKKKK0dokOkkOXNXXXXKOkxddxockk'.oOx0NNNNN0dk0xkXWWWNNK0OkkxxxxkkkOO0KXNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNWWMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌.:xOO000KKKKKX0xkXX0dxOkxxxxkk0KKXxo0d.'kXkx0XNNX0xOX0lxNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNXXXXNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNWWWWWWWWWMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ .lkOO000KKKKXX0O0XX0xxkOKXXXNXXXXxoOo..c0X0OOOOOOkodOloXNNNXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNWWWWWWWWWWWWWMMMMMMMMMMMM
‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌'oOOO00KKKKXXXXXXXXXNNNXXXXXXXXXklkO;..,okKXKOxl;;xkcxXNXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWMMMMMMMMMM
‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌.:xOOO00KKKXXXXXXXXXNNNNNXXXXXXNKxoxx:....',,'.,o0OloKNXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXNNNNNNNNNNNNNNWWWWWWWWNNNNNWWWWMMMMMMMM
‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ .lkOO00KKKXXXXXXXXNNNNNNNXXXXXXXXOooxxlc:::coxOOxdkKXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXNNNNNNNNNNNNWWWNNNNNNNNNNNNWWWWMMMMMM
‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌'dOO00KKKXXXXXXXXXXNNNNNNXXXXXXXXKOxxkOOOOOOOkkOKXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXNNNNNNNNNNNNNXXXXXXXXNNNNNNWWWMMMMM
‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌.;xO00KKKXXXXXXXXXXXXNNNXXXXXXXXXXXXK0OOOO00KKKXKKXKXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXNNNNNNNNXXXXXXXXXXXXNNNNNWWWWMMM

...here's a question.

when did i say ascii was for literature??

When did i say i was replying to your comment?

I agree with the sentiment above and at the beginning of this thread

i personally think formats should belong to the classes they correspond to. ansi & teletext as pixel sounds too far-fetched to me.

wat

if that wat is at YQN: i interpret YQN conveying ansi and teletext should stay as grafxicist formats, and, that them giving pixel class points is too far-fetched; is so what you mean, YQN?

youre literally just repeating the post.
still wat?
how is that far-fetched. especially when following the criteria i gave in my initial post? how wld you, yqn, classify formats like wildchip as chipist, if not far-fetched. how is anything on botb NOT far-fetched, or how does it matter how SPECIFIC a format matches its class. the reason i suggested this is not because the exact definition of teletext and ansi is "pixelart style formats" , but because we are missing an opportunity to achieve pixelist points at ALL over xhbs atm, and was showing an uncomplicated way out of this by turning formats into this class by using the criteria "image format for an (old) system that has specific restrictions, like size, palette, etc

"sounds too far-fetched to me"
wat?

simply asking for some more ... insight... into your argument, so that an actual discussion is possible, otherwise its a pointless post.

well, excuuuu (edit: u * 287, U * 266, interleaved in bunches) uuuuuse me, kleeder! I think ansi and, how i think teletext works, relates to my concept of pixel oriented formats, as a n dimensional screen buffer/graphic data stream; i could understand both ansi and teletext classes being swapped to pixelist

youre good, but i was asking yqn

raaaaaAAHHH!