All I know is those two give me grief. I'm sorry BotB isn't perfect, but, please kids, don't talk down to me. I love this community, but it is also a source of some anxiety for me. I'm all for suggestions, but don't give me grief about how I spend my spare time. That's how this site came to be, by spending countless hours bashing my head against the keyboard. I've never claimed to be a good programmer; I get a dose of perseverance when I'm inspired. I won't get inspired when BotBrs get under my skin, either directly or indirectly (when I hear about it from other BotBrs). Some BotBrs are old friends, some are much newer, but don't give me shit unless you know without a doubt that I know you are joking. I am going through a major life changing experience moving to Texas from Michigan, I feel like a fraud at my job hardly getting anything done in weeks, and I'm prone to be a little less patient, a little more likely to get my panties in a bunch when I am addressed in a snide manner.