I am pretty good with scratch and i think scratch could be a great
addition alongside the already existing formats.

Because with scratch you can make animations, music, and games.

So scratch is more like an all in one package of almost all other formats allowed in BotB.

And Scratch doesn't really have a learning curve so it would be a great starter format too.

And for python coders, Scratch has similar syntax to Python!

Enough rambling back and forth thanks for lisitening my extremely long feature request about Scratch!


Bye for now!

if this implemented, would the icon be the cat XD

probably

+1, I like this idea😁
IT is because of scratch that i discovered famitrackerr and write music community, and it was because of famitracker i finded BOTB (Battle of the Bits)

cool!

I get distracted by Stencyl just thinking of this...

welll idk

https://64.media.tumblr.com/1e8b63b8e33978d7d5ef5019f32c5930/aebf5a6e89fb27e4-db/s400x600/37381ac3b8ae4be3df56bf18d20fcebf0fc00aa0.png

also fun fact: amelia and i met through scratch in like.. 2014ish (might wanna fact check that)?? ... weird times..

I love this idea! Scratch is free, super easy to learn, and lots of fun to use.

2013! Its very trippy, it feels like a forever or two ago! seems like almost every piece the ship of theseus is replaced! how can I be the same person i was as when i was 12 years old? I still dont understand time.. It Feels like we are finally old, or something like that, whence there is thickening a fog behind us, of those strange formative years that grow into blurs and remnants.. I am still deepely afraid of time and the passage of it :P

hmm I actually used Scratch since 2016/2017 Here's one of my 12 old accounts 1234

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I found beepbox on scratch n that was probably the first time I made any real music

scratch becoming a format would probably end racism I think

yea. it will probably it will end racism


welp nno reply for weeks sad but true
still no reply

bump because this is a format that i think would be very nice since there are only 2 codist formats and it feels at home at botb :D (i mentioned it in the discord)

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO! NOT SCRATCH! ANYTHING BUT SCRATCH!

There are better things we could add as codist formats. Let the scratch stans keep their brainrot to themselves.

This discussion does server a purpose tho. We do need more codist formats. Godot anyone?

ur being such a negative nancy, create a thread for godot discussion and dont shut down a format idea because of stans or whatever.

lmao

Nah that was just an example of a format that has a reason to exist, unlike scratch. Scratch kind of defeats the whole purpose of "CODE"ist format IMO

personally, i don't like block coding, mainly because i'm one of those old sk00l h4xx0rz who like typing out everything they want to do like that one gif of jim carrey at the keyboard. it also doesn't really help me in terms of learning how to code; i find it WAY too tedious for my impatient adhd goblin brain to cope with.

WITH THAT SAID:
scratch and other block coding...languages? systems? whatever the f you call them, i think they would be good beginner codist formats. they're proven to be effective at getting people to learn coding whether they're eight or eighty eight; they're also massively popular and botbrs who already have experience _{kaff kaff aart kaff kaff} can use their knowledge to help others. just because i don't like it doesn't mean it shouldn't be a format. if anything, botbrs should be able to build their skills in a number of different disciplines; that way, botbrs are diversifying their skillset and interests in a variety of manners that suit that botbr uniquely.

kinda off the topic: it would maybe also help to have a general "state of the class" thread for codists? there are only two formats for the class and having more would definitely make it feel a lot more common. maybe i'll make smth tomorrow, who knows *shrugs*

a class doesn't need many formats to be a valid class, see pixelist, writist and webdevist.
sometimes a class is just those one or two formats.

that being said, I think the "difficulty" of a format isn't important to get added. right?
only because scratch is a beginner kind of thing and makes your usual coding approach obsolete, doesn't mean it's worse as a format right? maybe that makes it even better?

see. mariopaint or pandatracker are music formats here too despite them being more limited. I wld say the limits of scratch wld actually be a good point to add it.

despite me saying this, I have no actual opinion on this thing currently. I used scratch a few times in 2010 and that's that

i'm not gonna disagree with you on that first point. it would be weird to see a class like photographist have more than 2 formats maximum, and same goes for a few other classes. the gist behind me suggesting that thread is less "codist isn't a valid class" and more "codist should be more common"

i think the ease of a format helps someone get into the class much easier. in other words, introduce them with a thing that's easy to swallow and they'll eventually grow to use the harder stuff. it's not the end all be all, i will admit, but having that gateway into a class is important for others to diversify themselves on the website.

but, that's just my take on it. whatever people think of scratch being a format as will differ between person to person, and not just in the binary of [want/don't want] or [good format/bad format]. i just think having more formats is neat :)

+1 for scratch, botbrs would make some insane scratch entries and push the format to its limit, that's for sure.

omg, where was this when we had 16 new formats?! you're telling me that OPL2 is "new" when we've been able to submit that shit to adlib since time began?! smhing my head

in all seriousness, i wld've loved scratch, used it all the time when i was baby and have always wanted an excuse to do smth crazy in it since i left ages ago, y'know, something beyond a shitty mario fangame with the Physics of All Time

well now i think we should also add a spreadsheet codist format to keep the elitists at bay

No. God. Please no.

I spent 5+ years of my life on that website. My PTSD would NEVER.
...that being said I'm pretty fluent with it, so I'd probably do okay.

Also, they're incorporating generative AI

in the next major update... so yeah. I'm sure most people here will object to that.

Better suggestion: Turbowarp. It's Scratch but way better. It runs faster and there are many extensions to choose from. Plus, it could also be exported to HTML although that probably would be useful for this format.
Perhaps there could be "scratch1x" (for Scratch 1.4 and below), "scratch" (for current), and "turbowarp" formats?
By the way, Turbowarp has a Box2D extension.

@Bingies24 I agree with this. That means we could easily make renders using HTML embeds.

Also here's a video

more explaining the AI issue if that last post was unclear.

We could definitely use more codist formats. My objection to Scratch is that it really just takes a different mindset than "conventional" (the less triggering word for normal) coding.

Scratch was my 8 year old self's gateway into coding. I used it for a year or 2 then swirched to python. However, it should not be a format here. My reasoning is that Scratch really just takes a different mindset. Also the whole generative AI thing.

I have 3 degrees in coding, and have recently released my first game. And I can tell you with 100% certainty that Scratch does not encapsulate the same process/feel/whathaveyou of conventional coding.

In addition, I feel like Scratch would quickly dwarf all other codist formats. I get where the Scratch users are coming from, but I'm sure we could find a better beginner codist format

again, mariopaint also doesnt encapsulate the same process/feel/whatever as conventional music making and it is still a format. so your point doesnt rly work for me.
ESPECIALLY because its different, it wld work well

I would love to see Scratch as an animation format... but not as a codist format.

For an alternative, how about Microsoft MakeCode? It has block programming and JavaScript, dedicated animation blocks, and syntax reminiscient of Scratch

1. there is no animation format type
2. scratch is a coding language, not an animation tool
3. nsf dwarfs chipist, and allgear+s3xmodit dwarf mixist, so why cant scratch dwarf codist?
4. make your own threads for your suggestions instead of trying to hijack this one

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also i didnt hear about generative ai in scratch, thanks for mentioning that retrokid, ill look more into it. if everyones off board for the current version of scratch due to generative ai, i would prefer to see scratch1x instead of turbowarp, but im fine with either one.

although it could serve that purpose, i don’t think the primary driver of scratch entries would be helping n00bs learn to code. rather iit would be yet another avenue for botbrs to do what botbrs do best: exploiting a format to its technical extreme and creating seemingly impossible things. for that reason, botbrs tend to lean towards limited and even “n00b” programs.

we already have a fairly powerful codist format that would also teach you the “proper” way to code: html5. modern web tech even without frameworks is insane, and no one is stopping anybody from hosting an e.g. WebGL compo

i am saying this as someone with “degrees” and uh……. working as a senior level engineer at a startup, b t w. just had to put my creds here

i have no degree and have never shipped anything in my life and i will never make a scratch entry t(-_-t)

actually that could be kinda cool if we made some sort of demo-based format for scratch.


speaking of which I don't think there's any cracktros on that website. i know they've ported doom but I wonder if anyone's tried to remake second reality

I didn't know about the AI thing, hmm...
The reason I didn't suggest Scratch 2.0 by the way is because it runs on Adobe Flash (more specifically Adobe AIR), meaning it can run slower than 1.x and 3.0 plus it might not be as secure due to using Flash Player.
scratch14 (not 1.x, just 1.4), scratch (for 3.0) and turbowarp (for extension usage) would be fine. Also, you can download Scratch anyways and avoid any AI problems that would come with 4.0.
Interestingly, only 1.4 can be installed on Linux officially, 3.0 is available on Linux via Turbowarp Desktop.