Widening the scope of MIDI format renders
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36604
Level 25 Chipist
rainwarrior
 
 
 
post #36604 :: 2014.02.03 9:46pm :: edit 2014.02.04 8:33am
  
  KungFuFurby, raphaelgoulart, Grumskiz and mootbooxle liēkd this
After rendering my Winter Chip IX entry, I was informed that the rules for this format dictate that the Microsoft GS Wavetable synthesis must be used for rendering. I was very disappointed to hear this, as in my mind the rendering was much more open than this.

So... I would like to propose that after WC9 we loosen this rule in the following way:

The suggested render device is the Microsoft GS Wavetable Synthesis, but any device intended to play MIDI files may be used, under the following guideline:

- No custom patches may be used, all sounds must be stock patches built into the system.
- No system specific messages of any kind may be present in the MIDI file.
- Instruments must be set by a standard Program Change message, indicating one of the 128 standard General Midi instruments, and the hardware used for rendering must respond to them appropriately (i.e. if the GM sound is called "vibraphone" the rendering device must respond with a reasonable vibraphone sound, not some other sound that is specific to that hardware).

The intent is that this MIDI file could be played on any of many devices that implements a GM patch set and responds to the generic Program Change messages.

Conversely, the entrant should not expect their MIDI to be played on any specific GM device; voters may listen to it on the device of their choice, so try to make the entry robust against this if you can! It's tricky, but that used to be the way of things. (Obviously you can render your own entry using the thing you like, though.)

There are so many different interesting implementations of the GM patch set that I think it is worth allowing (or even encouraging) this for MIDI format renders. I have fond memories of playing MIDI files on several different systems (Win95 OPL3 is my favourite, Yamaha PSR-225, Allegro 3.0's OPL2 patch set, etc...) and I enjoyed how different the same MIDI would sound when you played it with different devices, even though they're all trying to represent the same GM patch set.
 
 
36607
Level 30 Mixist
mootbooxle
 
 
 
post #36607 :: 2014.02.03 10:22pm
  
  raphaelgoulart and Grumskiz liēkd this
Thank you!!! I 100% agree!
I used to have fun trying GM files on different systems, too.
 
 
36608
Level 26 Mixist
Xaser
 
 
 
post #36608 :: 2014.02.03 10:51pm
  
  stepfilter and raphaelgoulart liēkd this
While I'm fine with whichever way the rule swings, as a fair warning, I'm gonna be the guy who insists on still using the default Roland Soundcanvas GS Wavetable stuff when playing things back. D:
 
 
36618
Level 24 Chipist
Tilde
 
 
 
post #36618 :: 2014.02.04 6:35am
  
  Slimeball and raphaelgoulart liēkd this
Well, I...disagree!

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36620
Level 27 Chipist
KungFuFurby
 
 
 
post #36620 :: 2014.02.04 7:35am
  
  raphaelgoulart liēkd this
I knew this would be coming eventually... especially when I can't render using Microsoft Wavetable GS. I despise this format due to playback inconsistency.

Now you got me thinking of drum kits... I'm wondering how customizable those become in GM.
 
 
36622
Level 31 Chipist
Strobe
 
 
 
post #36622 :: 2014.02.04 7:57am
  
  Slimeball, stepfilter, raphaelgoulart, Warlord, Jangler and Tilde liēkd this
I will stop using Microsoft Wavetable GS when you pry it from my cold dead hands!
 
 
36627
Level 26 Mixist
Xaser
 
 
 
post #36627 :: 2014.02.04 11:49am
  
  stepfilter, raphaelgoulart and cce liēkd this
If it helps any, those on non-Windows systems using soundfont players can use this guy; it's fairly close and what I use for XMPlay n' such:

http://soundfonts.homemusician.net/collections_soundfonts/roland_sound_canvas_tuned.html

There will be some inevitable differences due to the nuances of whatever player is being used, but it's the same sound set, so there you go. ;)
 
 
36634
Level 18 Mixist
stepfilter
 
 
 
post #36634 :: 2014.02.04 3:43pm
i think this would be more important to people who actually make real music with this format (i.e. not me)

personally i'd rather jump out of a patch 126 than use a different sound set for my .mid submissions
 
 
36638
Level 25 Chipist
rainwarrior
 
 
 
post #36638 :: 2014.02.04 4:57pm
  
  HertzDevil liēkd this
Why do people keep responding as if I've suggested that we take away the Microsoft GS Wavetable?
 
 
36644
Level 21 Chipist
SketchMan3
 
 
 
post #36644 :: 2014.02.04 6:40pm
inconsistency is the very beauty of the mid format. you don't know-ow-ow you don't know your beatufil....
 
 
36648
Level 24 Chipist
Tilde
 
 
 
post #36648 :: 2014.02.04 7:23pm
rainwarrior
post #36638 :: 2014.02.04 4:57pm
"Why do people keep responding as if I've suggested that we take away the Microsoft GS Wavetable?"

Because it's funnier.
 
 
36662
Level 18 Mixist
stepfilter
 
 
 
post #36662 :: 2014.02.04 9:06pm
yeah i don't have anything against this suggestion, i just wanted to make a MIDI joke

obviously if i really desperately wanted people to listen with the MSGS sounds i'd say "hey listen to the render if you can't play the .mid with dem sounds yea"
 
 
36668
Level 24 Chipist
ant1
 
 
 
post #36668 :: 2014.02.05 6:23am
  
  zanzan and stepfilter liēkd this
not rreally a fan of this idea

some people judge entries by the renders and its not a level playing field if some people are rendering with crap windows 95 patchset from 20 years ago and other peopole are using Modern Orchestra XXL Deluxe

imho
 
 
36669
Level 27 Chipist
KungFuFurby
 
 
 
post #36669 :: 2014.02.05 7:04am
That's a good example of why I'm so torn with the MIDI format, ant1...
 
 
36759
Level 21 Chipist
SketchMan3
 
 
 
post #36759 :: 2014.02.06 12:17pm :: edit 2014.02.06 2:41pm
  
  stepfilter liēkd this
  
  DalekSam hæitd this
IMO "FLSTUDIO" should replace the current midi "format"

EDIT:
>;p
 
 
36760
Level 27 chipist
zanzan
 
 
 
post #36760 :: 2014.02.06 12:20pm
  
  HertzDevil liēkd this
IMO no
 
 
36761
Level 27 Chipist
KungFuFurby
 
 
 
post #36761 :: 2014.02.06 12:23pm
FL Studio won't do me any good.
 
 
36769
Level 21 Chipist
SketchMan3
 
 
 
post #36769 :: 2014.02.06 2:41pm
...a "joke..."
 
 

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