I nominate kfaraday for admin

definitely kf lmao

I just wanna SMS battle and there hasn't been one at all since the time of darkness began. :(

I nominate gyms, mootbooxle, goluigi and Baycun for admins ^o^

If you don't like these guys, you can also make Doxic, FoD, zebra, rainwarrior, epic_caterpillar, Zillah and Strobe admins (oh wait, Strobe already is an admin)

(Never make Slimeball an admin, you can't trust him)

It's just that.... kfaraday is a cool guy sure, but I don't think he's mentally balanced enough to be an admin. Same goes for ant1 or zanzan.

Choose wisely. :)

I am a terrible admin pick because I have no time to do admin things, which is the reason I had to step down from my other admin positions.
Time/commitment is the second most important factor in this decision. The reason I suggested kfaraday was because he spends a lot of time here, and because he has great people skills and handles stressful situations (in my mind) very well.

i nominate svetlana haha
(ok a joke wow sorry
now seriously i nominate kfaraday and goluigi)

Hey come on now, this is a serious position and a serious matter.

I agree that kf should be an admin!!

An alternative solution would be to add a bit of balance. Perhaps if one has competed in a certain percentage of "unpopular format" OHBs (say, over 50%) then they will be allowed to host it. Cause really, a minimum of 10 entries is not feasible for formats where there haven't even been 10 OHBs!!

Just doing a quick manual check for a few formats; the above rule would unlock the following formats for the following people:
GB: kfaraday, crabbandicoot
SVG: Interrobang Pie, null1024
SAP: b00daw
TIA: everyone in this compo
SMS: Svetlana, Slimeball (and maybe others)
Sunvox: iamgreaser

Maybe, but I was thinking it would be more like a different bottom limit rather than just cherry picking.

Here's a more refined version of the idea, based off of the number of OHBs a format has:
0-1 OHBs: the format remains admin only
2-19 OHBS: a user must have competed in 50% or more of these OHBs to be able to host it.
>=20 OHBs: a user must have competed in 10 or more of these OHBs to be able to host it.

I am the Archchannelfist

. Doesn't that count for something?

what's with all the admin nominations none of the admins have commented in here yet

while I do agree if there was to be another admin kf would be the best choice, I think we have enough active admins at the moment, the problem is only when someone wants to host and one may not be around, so I think the idea of maybe having Format Ambassadors or something would be a good idea, where we give certain people all of the badges maybe

What if we had an OHC "gold box" that changes to a random format every hour? Anybody with OHC hosting privelages can host the gold box format.

Also, the gold box should probably never be one of the top formats (sexmodit, nsf, nsf+, pixel, allgear, remix?).

Or, if we somehow turn hosting OHBs into a privilege as well as a right, which is the direction this place took when puke implemented the badge system...

See, the badge system pretty much fails as a security measure, but it does succeed at making the place more RPG. A consequence of that is that people can't host whatever format they want whenever they want, which is what you want more admins for. If we needed more admins solely so that any format could be hosted at any time, we'd nix the badge system entirely(by the way, kfay, it was a system you were in favor of implementing, claiming it would give users more to shoot for; this is what it costs).

so: I had an idea I posted in IRC that would be long-term, only take two or three headaches to implement, and kill three birds with one stone.

[03:35:24] <Tilde> A merchant appears!! o__o;
[03:35:35] <Tilde> "Got somethin' that might interest ya."
[03:35:57] <Tilde> - NSFplus token [60b]
[03:36:27] <Tilde> - VIC20 token [50b]
[03:36:47] <Tilde> - Pixel token [50b]
[03:36:55] <Tilde> "That's all I got, shortcakes!"
[03:38:10] <Tilde> It's already an rpg, it's just lacking that crucial thing to spend boonz on.
[03:38:26] <Tilde> And the tokens will go in your Itemtory below the main header, nice and small.
[03:43:29] <Tilde> If you're worried about compulsive refreshers, you can make it so that such merchants only have a chance of appearing once per every OHB done.
[03:45:45] <Tilde> That is, once an OHB is finished, there is an n% chance that you will immediately be confronted by a merchant willing to sell you a selection of format tokens. Spending that token in your Itemtory allows you to host an OHB you don't have a badge for, just once.

I also like the idea of paying extra boons to host a different format just once. (Or increasing the boon deposit, perhaps, for non-badged formats.)

or maybe you can stagger the boon cost to start an ohc of a certain format, where the cost is less, depending on how many entries over 20 points you have in that format (say, extra 500 boons to host a format you've never made an entry for, extra 450 if you have 1 entry, and so on). so that way, the people that are more enthused about starting an ohc for a certain format, but don't have a badge in that formet yet, will not have to fork out a larger sum of boons on top of the 750 needed to start an ohc.

it would dissuade new members who may not have a good enough grasp on the ohc format from starting one themselves until they have some entries under their belt, so that they can understand the who's and what's of it all. and when the time comes, little billy can host his very own nsf+ ohc where the theme is making a song about butt surgery.

If an additional admin is ever a thing to be considered, in my humble opinion, kfaraday is the only logical choice.

We are discussing this at the moment.

If you're going to tilt the economy to match obscure formats to popular ones, then badges are next to pointless, and rarer ones have no inherent worth(which makes obscure formats very sad and then they die).

commandycan, your suggestion actually tilts it in the _other_ direction, where the intentional imbalance caused by badges is just strengthened. It's a "rich get richer" situation that isn't really called for. You shouldn't dissuade new members from anything, especially if you're going to use points as a factor. It kinda just unnecessarily screws newbies. Newbies aren't the problem.

Unless I'm reading it completely wrong :V

Tilde: i was under the impression that the reason badges were implemented was because people who were unfamiliar with the nuances of format hosting (and i guess trolls who joined the site not to level up and contribute, but to fuck around) were makin a whole load of bad ohcs. so my suggestion was just something that extrapolated on that kind of philosophy, where members who understand what hosting ohc's entails can host their formats with little to no trouble, and members who dont quite understand what it means to host a format yet can ask other members to host for them until they get to that point as well.

and honestly it's probably easier to go into botb chat and go "who here has 1250 boons and wants to host this obscure format for me" as opposed to "are any of the admins not only online but also willing and able to host an ohc for me"

That is why badges were implemented. It wasn't the most logical response to the situation, but it did happen.

Here the problem: The thing you're advocating for addresses a problem that badges already fix. Their initial purpose doesn't need to be strengthened, and even if you felt it did, the n00b thing honestly is not much of a problem ever since the crackdown that led to them in the first place. We're fine on that front. The problem now is the tradeoff puke decided to make: People won't be able to host whatever format they want whenever they want, BUT they will be given the opportunity to earn it using a system of points and determination. This can be great on its own, but specifically, the problem is that people DON'T have the opportunity to earn certain formats. Thanks to badges, BotB is now officially an RPG, and the token system I outlined would do everything possible to strengthen the site around that fact. It would make it a _balanced_ RPG.

For f's sake, please just let me have writing ohcs! Or I will be forced to continue to post nonsense on the bulletins forever even if you ban me.

Yeah, now that I think about it the token would be a good idea... But how would it work really? 10 tokens = 1 badge? 1 token = ability to host 1 ohb of that format(assuming you also have the 750b)?
(EDIT: I just re-read what Tilde wrote, nevermind haha)
Also lmfao writing ohc's... That wouldn't be a bad idea lol (I know its not serious but still)
(and we still should make kfaraday an admin)

Tilde: well i presented my solution as kind of an 'entry point' to hosting ohc's.

i guess as an example of what im thinking: sure, not a lot of people have ever even participated in a doom wad ohc, but it is not impossible. essentially the only members both familiar with and willing to be part of a doom wad ohc are already past the 1250 boon point. also, as a side note, i would intend that with this solution ALL boons would be refunded at the end of the OHC, including the extra ones to be given the right to host a format.

yes, this does limit the amount of people that can host a format to, i'd say around level 10 botbr's and up. but i think that is a good entry point to being able to host an ohc. and you'd probably need to participate in a major to get to the point of boons needed to host any ohc, so people would have time to get used to the website. sure it expounds what badges do a little more and in some ways is redundant, but i think it also fleshes it out in a way that makes it something more to strive for; being able to host a load of formats as opposed to putting in a month's worth of ohc's only to get to host roughly one format.

Strobe and I discussed this.

...just now.

BotB is not taking on any more admins at this time. The quick fix, when I have time, is to create a new type of BotBr role : "OHB Boss" which will work much like the Ailments system except it will be a badge. An OHB Boss can host any format. Admins will be able to give/take OHB Boss status to/from BotBrs. As a side, Strobe and I both also have the 'sysop' roles and we will be having another badge soon. ;P

Tilde, I really like your idea about buying a temp badge from an NPC. I do believe I could implement that in a single sitting which increases the likeliness of it's fruition. The NPC system is something I haven't tackled yet and ahve always wanted to. Light and Dark Wizards/Clerics that adjust your aura for donations, merchants with items for sale, stuff like that.

As far as doing code goes : I work for a startup company and we are in crunch mode for at least the next 6 weeks. Vacay is over. On top of that, there's splitting my energy between making the current BotB experience better and finishing the new BotB's framework prototype so we can build a developer team with something to develop on. I also like to compose music, make videos, go out and have fun, y'know, have a life? Sorry, that might be passive aggressive, but I think we're all aware I can't make it rain all the time. I'll see what I can do.

raph: The idea is that when you spend the token, it's good for one free host of a non-badged format. It goes toward eventually earning that sweet sweet badge. So in a way, yes, 1 token is 1/10th of a badge, unless puke tweaks the number needed to earn the badge. Just not literally. You still have to start the compo.

"Also lmfao writing ohc's... That wouldn't be a bad idea lol (I know its not serious but still)"

ARRRGGGGFBSDJKFNDJKSNGKL:DMLGL:DS

kfaraday stepped on a lego and it was unpleasant.

I'm 100% behind any decision to make this place more RPG-like

give me your tired, your poor, your codebase

I <3 U Pukez


Also, raphael: we once had an ASCII battle format which was initially intended for ASCII art type stuff, but eventually evolved (or devolved) into just using it for text. And we wrote haiku. And we wrote ridiculous funny stories. And we wrote ridiculous inappropriate stories about certain BotBrs which were never intended to be taken seriously, but alas, some people did and were offended. And thus was the sad end to anything resembling writing OHCs.

the ohb boss idea is the best idea that's been said here lol

(i like the gold box idea too, it would make a lot of ohcs very interesting :P)

admin is as much a prestige position as it is an actually functional one. it takes activity over a LONG time and an overwhelmingly positive influence on the community to be granted admin status.

i have little say in the matter of admin selection, the dark rituals involved are something i shouldnt even be talking about. when the grand beard is prepared to select a new admin, it shall be so.


as for ohb hosting privileges and badges, i like the system the way it is. striving for something is integral to the "rpg" experience.

the unpopular formats are unpopular for a reason. if you noobs want some more badges, make a concerted effort to have more ohbs in your format of choice. "SMS saturdays" or something like that. your friendly admins will be happy to assist.

all n00bz

Well, the problem we are having is that admins aren't always available to host. Since this system went in it has happened many times to me that a few of use were in the mood and ready to OHC a rarer format and no admin responded.

- not sure how triple post -

- i blame the government -

- wait there's another one -

- i hang my head in shame -

OHB Boss idea FTW. Thanks puke.

rainwarrior's pentapost is also one of the...i mean 5 of the best posts on this thread

rainwarrior pls dont stop posting ur posts are good :))))))))))))))

I can do it. I can do it nine times.

Rain, I believe the OHB Boss badge will make it so that just having the badge and your group of willing OHBers will be enough.

Much like how having an admin around will be enough...

I agree with the notion that it's good as a temporary band-aid.

yes i agree i vote for: ec2013

im leaving now

i hæit this thread :' (

i hæit this thread :' (

Besht ideas for the TL;DR peoplez (i.e. : What "I" consider to be good):

proposed by Tilde:
- Toèkns from the merchant -> cost boons, allow you to host 1 (one!) OHB in a specific format (Example: Atari TIA Token for 50.1239254b)

proposed by the warrior of rain:
- Gold Boks -> A system that allows BotBrs to host OHBs in various formats, even if they don't have the required badge yet. The format changes over time (Example: 1 pm VIC-20 Happy Hour, 2 pm DOOM WAD LOLZ)

proposed by that bearded guy with the monocle:
- OHB Boss super badge -> Botbrs who have proven their worthyness can receive the OHB Boss uber-badge. It allows them to host OHBs in any given format, just like the admins without actually being an admin.
How to achieve this badge? I dunno o.,o
(Example: BoLoPN OHB Boss hosts Fairchild Channel F OHC, Resluts: 1 entry of 1 entry wins by default, BoLoPN looses OHB Boss status wow sad)

This became a long thread.

Happy with the outcome.

I still like Tilde's idea the most but if the OHB Boss Super Badge idea comes out, a nice way to achieve it would be hosting about at least 6 OHBs of 4 different formats (totalling 24 OHBs :D)

im not goig to read this thread its way too long.

more admins isnt a great solution imo. i would like some kind of boons based solution since atm theres nothing to spend boons on. maybe ohcs you dont have a badge for can still be hosted but they are 10x as expensive as a normal ohc. ore somthing. im sure its already been suggested anyway

I think the current system is fine. The few times that I brought up wanting to do an obscure/unusual type of ohc puke7 was usually there and willing, but then I always had to leave so I was like "oh no wait nevermind I can't even do it so you guys just do whatever it doesn't matter what I say".

So, like... it's actually all my fault D:

ant1: a similar idea has been proposed but instead of making it 7500b for formats you dont have a badge it was 1250, and it sort of got discarded for not helping make this website more RPG-like... also, Grumskiz's post basically says the rest of the good ideas that were given in this thread.

I think we're good enough on potential ways to solve the problem, we'd only need to make a petition to see which idea the Botbrs like the most and then post it as a Feature Request. Basically the options would be the three ones mentioned in Grumskiz's post, the 1250b cost for formats you dont have a badge, and let the current system be.

I haven't read much of the thread, but I think KungFuFurby is a really cool guy, and a possible choice for an admin. I don't really see much admin potential in anyone else except for FoD and maybe kf.

Anyways, I don't want any more admins. I still firmly believe in the original intention, which was free sponsorship. This obviously won't do any more, as the general public wants it gone. Therefore, the next viable solution is buying badges. Tokens...I don't really enjoy that idea. One and done is quick and easy.

Having admins isn't really good for this idea. It's like playing a F2P MMORPG where you can't access any place you want to go without paying or being in the cool crowd of higher ups. We could possibly use the points system to unlock badges by locking formats into different catagories. The chip ones would be unlocked gradually by Chipist points, for example.

The problem here is that we need a default set of starter badges so that a person can unlock these.

A...format tree!?

formats dont grow on trees wow

Geez we're still talking about this?!
Let's chill and let Puke do his thang when he gets time.

I............................ have nothing to add.... men (get it??? admen=admin????????)

wow

(c) goluigi