Format request: Minecraft Structure Block build
BotB Academy Bug Reports and Feature Requests
 
 
151526
Level 22 Mixist
02FD
 
 
 
post #151526 :: 2022.02.05 1:00pm
  
  sleeparrow liēkd this
Imagine how awesome this would be. Participants would likely upload their build as a .nbt file which can then be placed by a structure block, which would create an interesting limitation: you have limited space to build in. Bitpack could be a block palette, theme, or even an nbt file to start with.
 
 
151528
Level 32 Chipist
kleeder
 
 
 
post #151528 :: 2022.02.05 1:03pm
  
  Flaminglog, Bingies24, MoxieCat, RevvoBolt, fortuna0800, nitrofurano, argarak, cabbage drop, damifortune and null1024 liēkd this
minecraft isnt free either. we talked about possbiel mappist format minetest (or other free minecraft clones).
 
 
151531
Level 22 Mixist
02FD
 
 
 
You're really going to tell me people don't own the bestselling game of all time lol? The animal crossing one? Fine. But this is Minecraft. It's not that expensive, it's like less than 10 bucks on mobile
 
 
151540
Level 31 Chipist
damifortune
 
 
 
anything lacking free tools to create or view can't be a botb format
 
 
151551
Level 23 Pixelist
MiDoRi
 
 
 
post #151551 :: 2022.02.05 11:26pm
  
  RevvoBolt, Flaminglog, Da Flarf, nitrofurano, damifortune, argarak and kleeder liēkd this
I don't own Minecraft, checkmate :3
Besides I think we're slowly steering away from the botb spirit with all these newfangled formats. They kinda feel out of place, we could take any arbitrary game and make a dozen of new formats. Thief fan missions anyone? /s
 
 
151555
Level 23 Pedagogist
ViLXDRYAD
 
 
 
post #151555 :: 2022.02.06 3:40am
How about one arbitrary "game content" format, having a list of custom, moderator reviewed, formats pointing to a lyceum article to pick from, that users could submit: Anyone with a game contentist kind of badge could host one of these custom battles for others to join at
 
 
151569
Level 29 Chipist
nitrofurano
 
 
 
post #151569 :: 2022.02.06 10:17am :: edit 2022.02.06 10:20am
  
  Flaminglog, retrokid104 and dotmid liēkd this
minecraft is even worse than non-free, it's from microsoft now as well... :S
 
 
216527
Level 20 Mixist
Luigi64
 
 
 
post #216527 :: 2025.05.04 10:50pm :: edit 2025.05.04 10:50pm
  
  Bingies24 and fortuna0800 liēkd this
I thought there was more discussion in this thread...oh well just gonna go ahead and bump. I am a little drowsy writing this so bear with me

for your consideration:

1. minecraft can be acquired from mojang's servers for free, you just aren't meant to do so, so mainstream clients will not allow you to (probably also violates the eula or some shit idk)

2. luanti (minetest) and classicube are alternatives which are totally free.

if you don't know about classicube I'll keep it quick and say that it's like minecraft classic as it has a limited world size (though it's expandable) and less blocks, but you can make custom blocks and entities with their own textures and models? check out some classicube servers and you'll see what I mean

something else interesting about classicube: instead of being distributed with custom, openly licensed assets, it actually uses minecraft assets; it downloads them directly from the mojang server when you start the game. this way they shouldn't get in trouble for violating their license or whatever. does this count as piracy, since it's done in the same way that you crack the game? idk. but this "using freely available tools and dubiously obtained assets" brings it right to the level of doom and smw (at least).

this has just got me thinking that if minecraft, a commercial game, is absolutely trivial to download without spending any money, is it actually any different than our other mappist formats? for doom you have freedoom but for smw you gotta break the law and download some abandonware from a bajillion dollar company and force shigeru mayamoto to starve. are we above this for mineycrafta? I wanna hear those thoughts babes
 
 
216536
Level 22 Mixist
02FD
 
 
 
post #216536 :: 2025.05.05 3:59am
  
  ItsDuv and fortuna0800 liēkd this
god i was such an ass in 2022 :x
 
 
216538
Level 17 Chipist
retrokid104
 
 
 
post #216538 :: 2025.05.05 7:07am
  
  RevvoBolt liēkd this
we love our free softwares lol

minor question though, for the sake of being a devil’s advocate: the SMW format on the site essentially requires you to either own and dump your rom of the game, or pirate, as smw isn’t “free software”. what makes that in particular allowed? is it because it’s easy to obtain a rom online without having to pay? how about zquest? is that not technically a bootleg or something?

doom obviously checks out because freedoom, won’t go there. but still, some of these aren’t free software or the like and instead require outright piracy. so are getting roms for some midi drivers, too!
 
 
216541
Level 29 XHBist
Tex
 
 
 
post #216541 :: 2025.05.05 8:28am :: edit 2025.05.05 8:29am
  
  Bingies24, retrokid104 and damifortune liēkd this
SMW format is allowed because BotB doesn't provide the rom itself in any way (entries only contain the .bps or .ips patch). The rom is something you have to obtain on your own (and we don't need to know how you obtained it).

As for ZQuest, the engine was created from scratch and don't have any of Nintendo's proprietary codes in it. The grey area are some of the default assets (music, tilesets, etc.) because they actually belong to Nintendo. On the one hand, Nintendo has not taken legal action against ZQuest regarding that (possibly because the project is non-commercial), but on the other, using your own assets would still be a safer bet.
 
 
216543
Level 17 Chipist
retrokid104
 
 
 
post #216543 :: 2025.05.05 8:39am
well, in that case, why should how you obtain Minecraft matter in the same way? it could also be a pirated copy, etc., the same still goes
 
 
216549
Level 31 Chipist
damifortune
 
 
 
post #216549 :: 2025.05.05 9:18am :: edit 2025.05.05 9:19am
  
  gotoandplay, Kaytse, Bingies24, arceus413, Lasertooth, sean and icrawfish liēkd this
In My Personal Opinion the lunarmagic, mt32, and sc55 formats are all at the far end of the spectrum of permissibility for being formats here - on account of you either need to own the thing or pirate the thing. (at least mt32/sc55 are submittable with a midi regardless, technically!) if we're splitting hairs, then I think what puts minecraft over the edge is that it's still active, commercially sold software.

the aforementioned formats get reluctant passes (again imo) because of a) age, b) abandonment and c) their storied place in the history of their mediums, given the context that we are a site that's heavily focused on oldschool hardware.

just generally I don't think it's a solid argument to add a format for paid software and go "just pirate it lolz" to anyone who doesn't own that software already.
 
 
216560
Level 22 Chipist
icrawfish
 
 
 
post #216560 :: 2025.05.05 9:59am
  
  Bingies24 liēkd this
Probably what led to these occurring in the first place without much questioning things the same way people are made to question something like pirating Minecraft in some form is the very adjacent communities to BotB that do these things frequently with no issue. Several users here overlap with and/or came from SMWCentral (myself included), where making SMW hacks is... well, the whole point, but there was a commonality of being forum-based websites with a good repository of chiptune and presence of chiptune musicians. So since there were enough common users, that probably sparked an interest in showcasing what they do with smw outside of just the music, and since SMWC had no repercussions for it there was little to worry about. In contrast, there's not a clear overlap between the minecraft community and BotB that might spur some form of spill-over, and what is being proposed through the medium isn't really much to distinguish it for what complications it provides. With SMW it is clearly distinct in it's identity as a format where you're making an smw hack in some form, whereas with minecraft block art, you're just using Minecraft as an advanced medium to create pixel art. Don't get me wrong, I think it's cool, but it's not far enough removed from normal pixel art to warrant a format that requires going that far out of your way to participate in it even disregarding any legal workarounds needed, in my opinion.

Basically, SMW had a precedent to exist due to community overlap, uniqueness, and relative confidence in the safety of permitting it, whereas this would be a more risky gambit or require further abstraction for a format that does little to capitalize on the uniqueness of the tool needed to create the art piece. It would be fun to see someone submit a picture of their minecraft block art build to some visual format in some way, though.
 
 
216569
Level 22 Mixist
02FD
 
 
 
post #216569 :: 2025.05.05 10:09am
  
  Chepaki, lasersphaser, Bingies24, dobra and Lasertooth liēkd this
i think the main problem i have, revisiting this, is that minecraft is still actively updated in addition to all of this, and the changes could be breaking at any point. minecraft is not software first; it's a game first, and the expectations for games are different compared to those for software.

i was dumb highschooler when i made this post and i do not agree with it now
 
 
216571
Level 17 Chipist
retrokid104
 
 
 
post #216571 :: 2025.05.05 10:10am
alright, well, that answers well enough!

so piracy is okay provided said game isn’t commercially sold still and the site doesn’t share links or directly tell you to pirate said game?
 
 
216573
Level 25 Chipist
Flaminglog
 
 
 
post #216573 :: 2025.05.05 10:14am
  
  Bingies24 and SRB2er liēkd this
Just because something is popular does not mean it needs to or should be a botb format. As much as I'd love more mappist formats
 
 
216579
Level 23 Chipist
MelonadeM
 
 
 
post #216579 :: 2025.05.05 10:17am
  
  Bingies24, sean, retrokid104, arceus413, Luigi64 and Lasertooth liēkd this
I think for a Minecraft-like game, we could possibly look towards Classicube instead, which is free and doesn't even require an account unless you want to do multiplayer shenanigans, which I think overall falls very much in line with BotB's ethos for what formats should be available.
 
 
216581
Level 31 Chipist
damifortune
 
 
 
post #216581 :: 2025.05.05 10:23am :: edit 2025.05.05 10:25am
  
  agargara, Kaytse, argarak, lasersphaser, Bingies24, big lumby, Flaminglog, sean, retrokid104, kleeder, arceus413, icrawfish, dobra, Lasertooth and MelonadeM liēkd this
@retrokid nobody is saying piracy is OK or not lol. that is 100% your business and not something we want to promote. all I really want to get across is that when we have made exceptions in our broadly-freely-accessible format ecosystem, there have been some precedents for doing so. I think it's easy enough to see how SMW/lunarmagic and a couple old roland romplers tie into the themes of this site. and I still think those formats are pushing it! they are exceptions not rules, and I don't fancy the idea of making rules about exceptions.
 
 
216590
Level 17 Chipist
retrokid104
 
 
 
post #216590 :: 2025.05.05 12:04pm
makes sense
 
 
216625
Level 16 Chipist
Stupe
 
 
post #216625 :: 2025.05.06 6:04am
  
  retrokid104 liēkd this
do Houstontracker first :)
 
 
216803
Level 29 Chipist
nitrofurano
 
 
 
post #216803 :: 2025.05.08 8:43am
i heard about minetest/luanti, but i don't know how compatible it is
 
 
216807
Level 24 Chipist
arceus413
 
 
 
post #216807 :: 2025.05.08 1:32pm
  
  retrokid104 liēkd this
minetest kinda sux and classicube is based off classic 0.30 so idk how well that would work
 
 
216813
Level 23 Mixist
ordinate
 
 
 
post #216813 :: 2025.05.08 4:40pm
  
  Flaminglog, retrokid104, Da Flarf and petet liēkd this
theyre format requesting anything now huh
 
 

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