The Apache Saw

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puke7
Lvl 29  
201602
Level 31 Chipist
damifortune
 
 
 
post #201602 :: 2024.11.21 11:57pm
  
  cabbage drop and Surfcroc liēkd this
REMIX MAJOR!!
 
 
201603
Level 22 Chipist
Kot
 
 
 
post #201603 :: 2024.11.21 11:59pm
  
  qjesse and DuccBoi liēkd this
who up-achin their saw
 
 
201605
Level 22 Chipist
Opilion
 
 
 
post #201605 :: 2024.11.22 12:03am
Go go go!!
 
 
201609
Level 12 Chipist
SweatyNoodle
 
 
post #201609 :: 2024.11.22 1:56am
babe wake up, new apache saw just dropped
 
 
201610
Level 28 Chipist
gotoandplay
 
 
 
post #201610 :: 2024.11.22 2:21am
  
  Zillah and pouale liēkd this
RIP insect penis
 
 
201611
Level 27 Chipist
agargara
 
 
 
post #201611 :: 2024.11.22 3:42am :: edit 2024.11.22 3:42am
  
  puke7 and damifortune liēkd this
MY DREAM, COME TRUE!!!
there is justice in this world....the fabled apache saw will liberate us from the amen sin tyrants
 
 
201613
Level 21 Chipist
SRB2er
 
 
 
post #201613 :: 2024.11.22 4:57am :: edit 2024.11.22 5:00am
"how many samples would you like to order?"

"2"

"...like 2 hundred, 2 thousand, maybe even 2x10 samples?"

"i asked for 2
give 2"

"uhh take a break and a saw ig"

"tysm"

(battle of all time)
(also rip tracker users
making the drum loop properly is gonna be hell for them :skull:
)
 
 
201614
Level 18 Chipist
Max Chaplin
 
 
 
post #201614 :: 2024.11.22 5:11am
  
  SRB2er liēkd this
@SRB2er: I think you're allowed to process the sample in an external program, to make it loop in the required tempo.
 
 
201615
Level 21 Chipist
SRB2er
 
 
 
post #201615 :: 2024.11.22 5:43am :: edit 2024.11.22 7:35am
@Max Chaplin ye ik
just saying that those with only a tracker are cooked




..wait sunvox is a tracker...
fuck im cooked

edit: @ItsDuv no... ofc not...
*fear*
(put the openmpt down)
 
 
201616
Level 22 Chipist
DuccBoi
 
 
 
post #201616 :: 2024.11.22 6:25am
  
  SRB2er liēkd this
me when the apache saw
 
 
201617
Level 21 Mixist
ItsDuv
 
 
 
post #201617 :: 2024.11.22 6:48am
what the FUCK
 
 
201618
Level 21 Mixist
ItsDuv
 
 
 
post #201618 :: 2024.11.22 6:49am
  
  SRB2er and retrokid104 liēkd this
@SRB2er are you challenging me?
 
 
201620
Level 12 Chipist
retrokid104
 
 
post #201620 :: 2024.11.22 7:20am :: edit 2024.11.22 7:20am
  
  SRB2er liēkd this
yeah i’m with duv. minorinfraction.nsf
 
 
201622
Level 28 Chipist
Jangler
 
 
 
post #201622 :: 2024.11.22 8:03am
  
  damifortune liēkd this
THE

(breakbeat in trackers is fine)
 
 
201625
Level 28 Chipist
BubblegumOctopus
 
 
 
post #201625 :: 2024.11.22 8:32am
  
  Jangler liēkd this
yesssssss
 
 
201626
Level 12 Chipist
retrokid104
 
 
post #201626 :: 2024.11.22 8:33am
yeah i mean they got it working on Protracker back in the 90s. I think we can manage with modern mods.
 
 
201629
Level 20 Chipist
arceus413
 
 
 
post #201629 :: 2024.11.22 9:02am
saw
 
 
201635
Level 17 Criticist
Kaytse
 
 
 
post #201635 :: 2024.11.22 10:30am
  
  puke7 liēkd this
apache
 
 
201636
Level 13 Mixist
Kalowe
 
 
post #201636 :: 2024.11.22 10:34am
  
  retrokid104 liēkd this
I'm very confused, could somebody please explain what this is?
 
 
201637
Level 8 Criticist
NecAri
 
 
post #201637 :: 2024.11.22 10:35am
  
  cabbage drop and Kalowe liēkd this
Ohhh this one looks fun! I'm so excited!
 
 
201642
Level 21 Chipist
SRB2er
 
 
 
post #201642 :: 2024.11.22 11:12am
  
  Ahornberg, retrokid104, arceus413, cabbage drop and puke7 liēkd this
@Kalowe funni remix major
zip gives 2 samples
..those are the ONLY sounds you can use (cuz it's remix)
effects like lowpass, bitcrush r legal, but those 2 samples are all you got

if it doesnt come from the samples
you a cri-mi-nalllllllllll
 
 
201688
Level 22 Chipist
DuccBoi
 
 
 
post #201688 :: 2024.11.22 9:15pm
I will apache your saw.
 
 
201743
Level 19 Mixist
dobra
 
 
 
post #201743 :: 2024.11.23 7:46pm
  
  ItsDuv and retrokid104 liēkd this
this is an amazing battle
 
 
201885
Level 12 Chipist
Stupe
 
 
post #201885 :: 2024.11.26 5:48am
  
  ItsDuv liēkd this
Would it be cornball to just grab little nibbles of the wave to use as oscillators or is errybody doin that
 
 
201898
Level 22 Chipist
now_its_dark
 
 
 
post #201898 :: 2024.11.26 11:41am :: edit 2024.11.26 11:41am
  
  Opilion, SRB2er and ItsDuv liēkd this
It seems like there are no constraints on processing with effects, but does that include things like re-synthesis, chopping into single-cycle waveforms etc? Using those techniques would allow for a huge range of derivative waveforms/sounds, but wondering if it would be in the spirit of the battle.
 
 
201911
Level 28 Chipist
Jangler
 
 
 
post #201911 :: 2024.11.26 1:31pm :: edit 2024.11.26 1:31pm
  
  agargara, SRB2er, kleeder and Opilion liēkd this
there's a lot of precedent for chopping single cycles out of remix samples! i would say re-synthesis is out of scope though since, as i'm familiar with it, there are no inherent constraints that would ensure the result is actually derived from the original sample in some way. ship of theseus kind of deal
 
 
201919
Level 22 Chipist
now_its_dark
 
 
 
post #201919 :: 2024.11.26 9:01pm :: edit 2024.11.26 9:04pm
Hehe that makes sense, but a small, obnoxious part of me is like.. where exactly do the hairs split 😂 Since that ship of theseus situation is kinda true with all manner of processing. like- putting a simple sound through a ridiculous effect chain, then sampling the tail etc. effects can already be so dramatically transformative, it's hard to know where the line is.
Maybe a more practical way to ask the question would be- is resampling for the purpose of producing derivative sounds in the spirit of the battle?
 
 
201920
Level 31 Chipist
damifortune
 
 
 
post #201920 :: 2024.11.26 9:12pm
  
  ItsDuv, Jangler, Lasertooth and now_its_dark liēkd this
my opinion on sample fuckery is generally "if you're worried you're taking too many liberties you probably are", but that's just my opinion and not any kind of ruling here

my rule of thumb is generally for it to not be so transformative as to completely obfuscate the source of the sample

a battle like this where the pack is so deliberately restrictive i do think could be more forgiving than normal about what lengths you go to in order to get your sounds
 
 
201921
Level 22 Chipist
now_its_dark
 
 
 
post #201921 :: 2024.11.26 10:21pm :: edit 2024.11.26 10:24pm
  
  ItsDuv liēkd this
Yeah that was kinda my question in a nutshell- is the pack being so deliberately restrictive, a way of saying "stretch these limited resources as far as possible, to the point of being unrecognizable" or "use this deliberately restrictive set of sounds in a (relatively) recognizable, but interesting way"?
 
 
201922
Level 27 Chipist
agargara
 
 
 
post #201922 :: 2024.11.26 11:27pm
  
  ItsDuv and Caffeinator liēkd this
Personally I think both approaches are valid, ultimately up to the submitter how far they want to take it.
 
 
201923
Level 31 Chipist
kleeder
 
 
 
post #201923 :: 2024.11.26 11:42pm
  
  lasersphaser, Caffeinator and Jangler liēkd this
you cld also check the entries submitted to the first apachesaw battle and how they did it. for reference
 
 
201924
Level 22 Chipist
now_its_dark
 
 
 
post #201924 :: 2024.11.26 11:47pm
  
  ItsDuv and Caffeinator liēkd this
They both seem equally fun :D just different mindsets. guess if nobody says it's illeg, then will assume it's just pure sample-smashing action brutality potential, without limits.
 
 
201933
Level 28 Chipist
Jangler
 
 
 
post #201933 :: 2024.11.27 5:12am :: edit 2024.11.27 5:21am
  
  Caffeinator liēkd this
to me, modified resynthesis is less like an effect chain and more like drawing something else over part of the waveform -- it's not a transform, it's introducing arbitrary data that didn't come from the source samples. that's why i think it's a problem

it's definitely a fuzzy line though!
 
 
201944
Level 29 Hostist
puke7
 
 
 
post #201944 :: 2024.11.27 8:59am
  
  th4 D34D, Surfcroc, agargara, arceus413, Caffeinator, lasersphaser, Collidy, Opilion, kleeder, SRB2er and ItsDuv liēkd this
you can sample the included samples

i don't know why sampling the effects off of the samples would be ok

if you can find a sine off the drums or whatever then ok

just know that the saw wave is a HUGE part of the theme
 
 
202321
Level 12 Chipist
Stupe
 
 
post #202321 :: 2024.12.01 8:51am
  
  Caffeinator, arceus413, Lasertooth, SRB2er and damifortune liēkd this
1. Slice each file into literal individual samples
2. Organize the data points by amplitude
3. Spend 100 hours manually reordering them into a near-perfect analog of Yakety Sax
4. ???
5. Profit
 
 
202671
Level 21 Chipist
SRB2er
 
 
 
post #202671 :: 2024.12.03 7:28am
odd little thing I've wondered about remix, seeing as this is a major

can you add effects like FM, but the modulator isn't a saw wave (since it technically isn't part of the output, the saw wave sample is)

or

add a sidechain input, but the sidechain input isn't part of the mix

(both of these are sunvox based lol)
 
 
202722
Level 12 Chipist
Stupe
 
 
post #202722 :: 2024.12.03 9:54am
  
  Unconventional and SRB2er liēkd this
I reckon it just has to be good faith. We could say, only given samples in signal path, but others okay as "control voltage" or modulation path. I can use a vibrato command under .xm and drive modulation with whatever wave form and nobody's gonna call me out. FM is kind of a weird regime where the line between signal and carrier is often fuzzy but proably nobody would kick. But let's say I used a square wave to drive vibrato and brought it way up to audible range. Or let's say I used a recording of Yakety Sax. That would be a gaolable offense. But it's just vibrato bro
 
 
202746
Level 11 Criticist
Unconventional
 
 
post #202746 :: 2024.12.03 1:34pm
I may be interested in this, however I don't know what program I should use since I only really know Beepbox and its mods (only can use the ones based on ultra because samples) and FamiStudio.
 
 
202766
Level 22 Chipist
Opilion
 
 
 
post #202766 :: 2024.12.03 3:52pm
I you are used to piano roll tools, maybe pxtone collab is a good choice! It is sample based and in my own experience, I found it quite easy and fast to learn. You can check the lyceum page pxtone (format) for more details.
 
 
202769
Level 11 Criticist
Unconventional
 
 
post #202769 :: 2024.12.03 4:38pm
I assume I can chop the Apache Break in Audacity or is there a way to do that in Pxtone collab?
 
 
202775
Level 22 Chipist
Opilion
 
 
 
post #202775 :: 2024.12.03 5:21pm
pxtone collab doesn't have any sample editing feature so yes it's as you said! You have to use an external tool such as Audacity for this.

It's also a bit limited regarding sample loops as you can only loop through the whole sample. So to reproduce more complex loop behaviors you can find in other software (like loop points), the easiest way is probably to duplicate the sample and do some editing in Audacity
 
 
202924
Level 30 Mixist
Baron Knoxburry
 
 
 
post #202924 :: 2024.12.04 2:23pm
  
  Ahornberg, Collidy, SRB2er and Opilion liēkd this
you can also cut individual drum sounds and make new beats
 
 
203447
Level 8 Chipist
logickeeper_real
 
 
post #203447 :: 2024.12.08 1:16pm
does it have to sound like a sawtooth wave by the time you are done processing it because I made something that sounds like a square wave by messing around with the sawtooth wave
 
 
203567
Level 21 Chipist
SRB2er
 
 
 
post #203567 :: 2024.12.08 11:04pm
  
  puke7 liēkd this
@logickeeper_real as long as u can explain how you got a square wave (such as bitcrush), then it's fine
 
 
203603
Level 8 Chipist
logickeeper_real
 
 
post #203603 :: 2024.12.09 12:07pm :: edit 2024.12.10 9:27am
cut down the sawtooth to a short looped sample, then reversed half of it

EDIT: I just did something more fucked up, I made a janky "triangle" wave by encoding the sawtooth wave as 1 bit DPCM

EDIT 2: took that "triangle wave" and encoded it as 1 bit PCM and got a fun new waveform!

EDIT 3: new bass sample just got made (put the sawtooth wave though a filter and cut most of it) I might genuinely use this outside of this challenge
 
 
203605
Level 8 Criticist
NecAri
 
 
post #203605 :: 2024.12.09 3:26pm
  
  Collidy hæitd this
my pc blew up over the weekend so not sure if i'll be able to finish my tack D: gonna see if I can use a library workstation for it tomorrow
 
 
203606
Level 27 Chipist
agargara
 
 
 
post #203606 :: 2024.12.09 3:46pm
  
  Collidy, SRB2er and damifortune liēkd this
You can also make anything a square wave just by amplifying/clipping it enough.

I got a fake sin wave from a snippet of the bongo(?) drum in the apache sample. I could smooth it out into a nearly perfect sin wave with just a low pass filter, but personally that felt a bit too cheaty and I like the crunchiness of the fake sin wav more anyway.

As I said earlier, it's ultimately up to you how far you want to push it. Personally I like trying to retain at least some of the character of the original sample.
 
 
203608
Level 8 Chipist
logickeeper_real
 
 
post #203608 :: 2024.12.09 5:33pm
  
  Collidy liēkd this
ah, good to know I can do everything in the furnace sample editor expect draw in a new waveform
 
 
204034
Level 21 Chipist
SRB2er
 
 
 
post #204034 :: 2024.12.14 5:05am :: edit 2024.12.14 5:05am
  
  Collidy liēkd this
yknow you are cooked when you have 1 day left and all you have is an ass song that uses sidechain to pretend it's good
 
 
204168
Level 21 Chipist
SRB2er
 
 
 
post #204168 :: 2024.12.15 12:55pm
  
  Collidy liēkd this
es time to vort :p
 
 

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