Game Jam #3

103451

Level 30 Chipist

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post #103451 :: 2018.08.26 2:25pm

gotoandplay liēkd this

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103453

SECOND

103454

11rd

103456

Going on a compilation adventure to see if I can get TIC-80 to work. I may or may not make a game: if I don't, then I'll still try to get TIC-80 to work for the purpose of perhaps making music for someone's entry (can't guarantee I'll be able to do this, though).

103457

tic-80 can export to html right?

103459

~~insert stinkerb06 joke here~~

103464

A few minutes after this started, suddenly I saw the legendary Stinker online here. Oh boy. Things got wild now.

103467

current probability of me being IN:~85%

103476

sweeeeeeet
I'm definitely gonna enter.

also, why is the octave behavior for the tic-80 tracker literally insane
sometimes it'll randomly transpose the note I'm entering
sometimes it'll just lock on one octave, no matter where on the keyboard I'm hitting
sometimes it'll work normally

103482

i havent figured out the octave thing either omg it was driving me mad trying to play around with it

103484

same

103487

Uh oh, this sounds fun, but is also drastically different from what I usually compete in xD , so current participation status is a: definite maybe.

103495

no azerty support :/

103501

Guess that means no Dvorak support either :/

103507

guess that means no speech2text support either :(

103518

Are the realmedia support and Adobe AIR support? :o else i'm not entering, just saying.

103520

no AIR support but it does have realmedia and ICQ integration

103521

is there botb support?

103523

Guys!

The real question is:

...

Can I open it in my gopher browser?

103529

I would join this but I'm only good at the music part. also I believe the Mac port of TIC-80 is 10.7 or later, so I have to run the browser version in FireFox 48.0.2

103530

Probably gonna enter this one! I may already be thinking up grand plans, but I have no idea how far I'll actually get (or if I'll end up doing lazy cop-out entry).

103532

Is there a converter for IT to TIC-80 Game yet? and can I import DOOM wads? thanks for your help.

103541

I'M IN 100% this is gonna b awesome

103543

Oh thats nice, i'm just at 73% participation yet!

103545

tfw you fix one clipping bug and a worse one pops up from literally nowhere

103547

ARGH HOW 2 CODE

103548

one plus one equal 2

103549

quick mafs

103552

actually
dats me an u

103595

|дﾟ)… numbers are 64-bit signed integers
go crazy

also you can store 32-bit unsigned integers to a single part of persistent memory (of which there is 256 of)

103600

Small update on my game: I'm having trouble getting collision to work correctly in my game. It seems that for each collision bug I fix another one pops up in its wake. I'm pretty much at the end of my rope here, so if there are any gurus in here who think they can fix my shit, please send me a DM on Discord @DevEd#8039.

EDIT: Never mind, I'm just going to rewrite my collision code.

EDIT2: Collision is working now

103621

i'm gonna learn how to do this and make something so glitchy and unplayable you won't even open it

103628

Flaminglog: oh don't worry
I open everything.

That being said, splash screen!

btw if anyone wants it, it's only 145 bytes or literally 0.2% of usable source code in this thing

function botb()
for i=0,3 do for j=0,3 do spr((i*4)+(j+1)-1,104+(j*8),48+(i*8),0) end end
print("battle of the bits",88,84,15,false,1,true)
end

then import the top of this spritesheet

103702

spent ages working on my game and I feel suspiciously close to the finish line and it's deeply worrying
because 1: there's the last 10% of spit and shine left
oh, and 2: honestly, this has only actually resembled a game for the last 20 minutes even though I spent a good two hours screwing around with fire effects from the player ship

~~oh, and I still didn't write collisions :YYY~~ edit: that is a lie lol
all n00bs!!!

103705

i'm still trying to figure out how to program a card game

(totally not because i didn't wanna write my own collision system :v)

103715

hey, if anyone needs music for their game since i can't program, i can (try to) make good music for your game if i feel like it. DM me on discord. My tag is Dippy#0615 EDIT: don't message me tomorrow (sept 8th.) that day will be a busy day for me

103717

the closer I get to finishing, the more I wonder if I'm really actually finished
and the more I wonder what in the hell am I going to do for the remaining two weeks

On the bright side, I'm actually basically feature complete, and am now mostly doing music and minor details.
plus, apart from the octave entry bugs, tracking for this thing is kinda fun

103727

did I ever mention that I'll be streaming these games on major end?

(´・ω・`)

103728

nice!

looking forward to the moment when you're playing stinkerb06's game!

103729

oh don't worry, since he was the first to post, he's the first to be played
ヽ( ﾟワ。)ノ

103732

Also here's a link to the event
the ting begins at 2PM PDT/GMT-7 if you wanna put a ting down in your calendar or somefin

103765

man, I'm glad I haven't submitted yet, I'd have had a big 'ole "Game Jam 2" sticker on the front since I didn't even look at which compo this was lol

plus, there would have also been a really lame bug that'd have let you sit at the top of the screen and with a little bit of care, make not dying trivial

103800

~~why wont yall do a game maker studio 1.4/2 jam thats the only code i know what is this lua shit~~

103805

b-but i need to learn new shit how do you expect me to learn new shit if i already know game maker and there's a game maker only jam

103806

lua is the big boy language

103812

Game Maker Studio isn't free -- that's why we haven't had that

I'm using javascript, but maybe I should have tried learning lua :shrug:

103814

lua is so easy even a sphinx can learn it

103815

lua is so easy even i can learn it

and i work with dog shit languages like GAME MAKER LANGUAGE apparently

103824

I'm just putting feelers out on a possible extension.

I feel very behind on my own game, but also I have a lot going on right now so for me, personally, I have no idea what would make me happier.

Also, are extensions in the spirit of a game jam? :u

103825

omg, an extension would be great (for me and my team at least). i guess we could do it in time, but because there is also a lot going on apart from game jam stuff, we might not be able to do it. another week would be nice, i'd say.
but i won't be sad if its not gonna happen.

would only be good to know if there is an extension within the next 3-4 days because of our time management though c:

103826

id love an extension but pls do it soon and not the day before it ends :>>>

103829

I think an extension would further improve the quality of the entries and give us time to create something a bit more polished instead of just getting it to work

103830

I started 2 weeks late and have school, and even with my progress do not know lua... an extension might be cool. Wait until a few days before it ends though.

103836

lua is ezpz

"if (cond) {...}" is now "if cond then ... end"
"for (ii=0; ii<32; ii++) { doStuff(array[ii]); }" is now "for ii=1,32 do doStuff(array[ii]) end" -- note the change from 0 to 1
"!=" is now "~="
"//" is now "--"
you can do something that resembles a javascript object in almost exactly the same way
"var car = {type:"Fiat", model:"500", color:"white"};" becomes "local car = {type="Fiat", model="500", color="white"}"

the lack of += or -= really sucks, you have to do shit like particles[ii].x=particles[ii].x+particles[ii].xd

that's basically all the lua I needed to know to write my game :Y
I probably should have read https://www.lua.org/pil/16.html before I started too lol, but oh well.

would have loved a GM:S compo, but that's just me being a GM user since 2004 (or whenever GM5 was promoted on TechTV) :Y

103842

how do a check for a negative value in this language
what i mean is how would i do something like this

if p_xd < -1 then p_xd = -1

apparently -# doesnt exist

103843

Try...???

if p_xd < (-1) then p_xd = (-1)

103844

don't forget the "end" keyword lol

103846

@Yung Gotenks:
that should work, assuming you didn't leave out "end" like petet said
if p_xd < -1 then p_xd = -1 end

even if it's on one line, it still needs an end

103849

wow how did i forget that lol

103856

90% of errors i get are because i keep forgetting end

103876

i didn't know you guys did game jams

103878

they are fairly rare and should be given there own spot on the BotB Annual Calendar™

P.S.--

ΞＸＴE♢ＮＳＩ♢Ｎ░ＧＩＶΣＮ

２░ｍｏａｒ░ｗΞΣＫｓ

103882

With the postponement of this compo's end time, my stream will also be postponed as well.

103889

2 moar weeks omg ^o^
thanks puke!!

103916

well, I better just go pile on the features then
now I don't have any excuse, not with over half a month left

103934

man, it's kinda sorta killing me that tic-80 only supports 8 order lists
like, I could probably write some hacky garbage to get around that
but there's no good reason to only be able to directly address 8 tunes
certainly not when you've still got a bunch of unused patterns

103944

Ia m very inrtedstd in you'are product, pl,eaes repyl wth more inf.

~~_{^{HOW FUCKING DARE YOU SPAM THE GAME JAM THREAD}}~~

104040

ok, we're at 59776/65536 bytes, and there's still a boss fight/end sequence left to implement.

current optimizations:
-replacing
entity:function()
self.x=0
with
entity.function(s)
s.x=0
-actually good refactoring (maybe???)

considering
-shortening all variable names
-removing whitespace

104041

I think I'm only at around 12k characters in code, but I've spent most of the time doing generative experiments. Still tho, given the code has a restriction in size, I've been writing classic ugly code with lack of whitespace where I usually put it with short, cryptic variable names. Basically things I taught myself not to do anymore many years ago. I'm using javascript, but I will share that I've lost a lot of time to overwriting variables and functions accidentally.

Also, if you have any redundant code you might want to refactor it into a function if you haven't already. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Looks like you're using Lua, but for JS I went ahead and made shortcuts for Math functions like
function r(n){return Math.random()*n)}

104048

consider: https://mothereff.in/lua-minifier

104051

Just for lulz I tried that on my game, it somehow broke my splash screens and the "how do i end my game" screen. The actual game was fine though.

104069

thanks for the suggestions y'all.

i managed to finish the game with 458 bytes (!) to spare.

104181

I'm nearing completion on my game!
I'm glad for the extension, I had to restart because my game was in a huge mess.
I had a fairly large amount of weird collision issues, so redesigning the game for the platforms to all be one-way caused quite nearly all of my headaches to disappear. :)

Here's a short clip:
https://plus.google.com/photos/photo/106755058725048496683/6608301577339088946

104224

|дﾟ)… did i by any chance forget to mention that i'll be speedrunning any game that i deem to be speedrunnable the week after the initial playthrough stream?

104227

you're crazy. i'm really looking forward to both streams!

104229

@a-zu-ra i hereby challenge you to get sub 10 on my game

impossible mode: beat my PB of 7:20 w/ all coins

104233

"ok" said Japan

also dw i'll spare you guys the asshole drunkard pre-show on the speedrun stream (unless you guys really want to re-watch asshole drunkard w)

104254

i've never seen asshole drunkard in its entirety

104258

final stretchhhh aaaaaa

104262

well my game is an unplayable mess
maybe we'll do this again sometime

104265

Stream is live, viewing Asshole Drunkard first before diving into game jam stuff

104270

nice quote from the stream when he was playing katz

http://www.tombstonebuilder.com/generate.php?top1=A-zu-ra&top2=%3F%3F%3F%3F+-+2018&top3=I+died%2C+but+it+&top4=doesn%27t+matter&sp=

EDIT: its not working nevermind :(

104271

You can now watch all the games individually

104272

cool entries
I was hoping for more entrants, but I like what we got.

104273

I think this jam was a flop entrycount-wise compared to the two first ones because most of the people are just unfamiliar with programming on such a "low level", as opposed to "real" gamedev IDEs such as Game Maker where the engine does most of the stuff with some simple DnD event commands and you need to focus less on the actual programming part, whereas in the case of TIC-80 you need to draw every sprite manually, implement own collision detection system etc. which can become pain in the butt for less experienced programmers. Understandable but I got left with a bitter taste of disappointment in my mouth.

104276

How to ensure that no one does your game jam except for a crazy few: make a game for a platform that requires the use of assembly

104278

Maybe have a really long game jam for lower abstraction game dev and a shorter one for high abstraction stuff next time?

104279

or maybe post the "libraries" in the lyceum for everyone to use so people aren't trying to create their own collisions and draw routines from scratch
_(:3 ｣∠ )_

104283

Some of these games were good enough (maybe a bit too short) to see a full release.

104292

I would love to see a future game jam with multiple formats. Maybe the different formats would be different game engines / libraries / starter projects etc., or maybe they would just be as simple as different themes. The duration could be long enough that passionate and committed botbrs could conceivably submit entries for multiple formats.

104293

3xThemeGameJam

104321

low level is real dev wow I'm offended

104325

lua,, low level,, lol

104329

real dev is putting all those 0s and 1s with your bare hands

MAKE THE COMPUTER YOUR BITCH

104331

2 day game jam 17 entries
1 week game jam 14 entries
1 month game jam 8 entries

The longer you give people to do something the longer they will procrastinate or forget about it. (including myself)

104332

It probably has more to do with having to learn a new languages for a new system rather than, presumably, past compos were done with a medium entrants were already familiar with.

104336

LiveSplit splits available for Rebound 2

Comes in two flavors: Any% and 100%

- Run begins when you press A on the title screen, not when the game boots up
- Major splits are on bomb detonations (red, blue, green, and yellow, in that order) as well as item possession (Spring Bounce and Floater, in that order)
- Run ends the moment you destroy the yellow bomb (should it actually be when the "how do i end my game" screen appears?)

104338

~~I'd suggest removing the "coinless" category since you never have to go out of your way to avoid getting coins, therefore making a coinless run identical to an any% run.~~ already removed

~~btw my new PB is 6:17 for any%~~

EDIT: New version of Rebound 2 is up on the TIC-80 website
, fixes the softlock A-zu-ra found and makes the in-game timer stop counting when you hit the final detonator rather than when the "how do i end my game" screen appears.

104340

Exactly my thoughts, too; I’ll remove coinless when I get the chance to

[EDIT] No Coin% has been removed

104438

LiveSplit splits available for BALMUNG
and Katzu

Also updated the Rebound 2 splits to actually use .zip and not .rar (may want to fix any dead links, DevEd)

BALMUNG only comes in Any% flavor (if you have any suggestions for other runs or how to do a 100% run, Petet, let me know), and Katzu comes in Easy%, Hard%, and 100% flavors (aka up to World 3, 4, and 5, respectively).

BALMUNG
- Run begins immediately when you select "New Game" from the menu
- Major splits are on boss defeats (Mithril Golem, Arcane Grenadier, Master Huntress, and Siegfried, in that order). If it would be more reasonable to base them on keystone collection, let me know and I'll change the splits
- Run ends immediately after you defeat Siegfried (maybe I should beat Siegfried proper before I determine if this should actually be the end; maybe confirm this for me, BotBrs or Petet?)

Katzu
- Run begins immediately when you start the game from the title screen (when you see WORLD 1)
- Major splits are on stage clears (clearing WORLDS 1, 2, 3 (Easy% end), 4 (Hard% end), and 5 (100% end), respectively)
- Run ends immediately after clearing the last level specified (for Easy% and Hard%) or when you see the end screen (100%)

Also a sneak preview of tomorrow's stream layout

104439

the online version of BALMUNG
now has a completion meter!* if you're dedicated enough to attempt a 100% run all you have to do is collect every gemstone powerup on the map before completing the game. for more details, see the map editor, and note that some climbable walls are harder to detect...

*the completion meter is kind of untested and may not accurately reflect completion.

104444

psst @A-zu-ra your rebound 2 splits post contains an error, it says "it comes in three flavors" but there's only 2

104450

i am good at counting (5-6-7-0-9)

fixed the ting

104463

Speedrun stream up ahead

Any admin in the house so you can link this?

104475

Speedruns now segmented into their respective games and runs

I'll highlight my personal bests/world records at a later time just so I can have fodder to use when I eventually put these games up on speedrun.com (obv A-zu-ra's Lunch is not gonna be part of it)

A-zu-ra's Lunch All Gone% PB

(medium french fries, chicken fries, large milk tea)

Rebound 2: Electric Boogaloo Any% runs

(rejected name: No Coin%)

Rebound 2: Electric Boogaloo 100% runs

(in other news, GET ALLLLLLL THE COINS)

BALMUNG 100% runs

More BALMUNG 100% runs

(probably the most serene game I've ever spedrun so far)

Katzu runs

(fuck this game)

104477

A-zu-ra's Lunch All Gone% PB best run

104663

congrats petet!! wel deserved 1st place

104667

also congrats to everyone else cuz
making a game is:
- good shit
- a lot of work

104668

i totally agree with sintel.
congratulations to everyone, to our winner petet, and also thanks for playing and voting on our game! ^o^

another tic80-major would be really cool sometime in the future!

104671

wow i somehow managed to place in the top three

104677

I wanted SUPERNOVA to win overall lol.
knew it wasn't happening (BALMUNG is ridiculously impressive in damn near every regard), but out of the lot, SUPERNOVA's the one I'm most likely to play outside of the compo (apart from my own ;PPPPP), it's fantastic to just fire up and go play

pretty good games, everyone did something pretty interesting
also, how in hell did I get 3rd for audio, I didn't put nearly enough effort in there for that :P
all of my songs loop really quickly and I'm pretty sure at least one of them is actively unfinished and repeats the same pattern four times in a row haha

104842

@A-zu-ra How did you make those livesplits for TIC-80 read the game variables to determine progress?

104924

=== Average Score ===

>>> 22.647 <<<

104967

Post-retro's post was very retrospectivial.

104972

@StinkerB06 I didn't; all of the splits I did were done manually :o

104982

@puke7 Do you have the link to it?

115411

Do you think there will be another TIC-80 jam, similar to this one?