Format Request: YM2149+DMA
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210687
Level 18 Chipist
Stupe
 
 
 
post #210687 :: 2025.02.10 6:10pm
  
  tfx, Unconventional, YQN, arceus413 and Prestune liēkd this
Or perhaps it would just be known as "maXYmizer project" or "STe" ala the new LSDJ project format. I know that as it stands the AY/YM format is more broadly inclusive. But as I dig more into maxYMizer, this just strikes me as crying out to be created.

It's not that I can't hang with 3 channels; 3 channels is great, but we have AY/YM for that. My rationale is: maxYMizer is arguably ~the~ most powerful chip tracker, and in the running for best-maintained (thanks gwem.) So of course it has a lively scene, and for my money some of the most interesting straight-up chiptune these days is coming out for STe (matter of opinion no doubt.) Yet, there is no particular format spotlighting its abilities (correct? I dug around for a few minutes, I swear.)

Supporting examples:
Gameboy/LSDJ. In my opinion LSDJ is a close analog to maxY as a long-running, idiosyncratic and powerful chip tracker. It was seen fit to highlight its abilities against the broader traditional format.

POKEY/POKEY x2. POKEY x2 is an amazing format, but it depends on a hardware hack for chrissake! Whereas, the unique audio abilities of the STe are out-of-the box and commonly exploited. If we can have 2x POKEY I see no reason why we should not get to track YM+DMA
 
 
210694
Level 26 Chipist
Prestune
 
 
 
post #210694 :: 2025.02.10 6:56pm
I've been meaning to try maxYMiser for a while so I like this idea
 
 
210712
Level 25 Chipist
YQN
 
 
 
post #210712 :: 2025.02.11 9:23am
  
  Unconventional and Prestune liēkd this
most people use furnace for aym, some use vortex or arkos. maxymiser is maybe the least used aym tracker despite its power, probably because it requires an emulator. i guess there ain't enough ym+dma users for a dedicated format.
that said, i don't like seeing dma entries in the aym format because it's like submitting nsf+ to an nsf battle. ym+dma entries still belong to wildchip and allgear obviously.

@prestune if you need help with maxymiser or the emulator setup just hit me up!
 
 
210757
Level 16 Chipist
Unconventional
 
 
post #210757 :: 2025.02.12 1:33pm :: edit 2025.02.13 2:24pm
  
  YQN liēkd this
I am half tempted to set up an emulator to use maxYMiser after seeing gwEm's tutorials . I want to use Vortex II for my current thing right now though as personally I am not too happy with Furnace's AYM.

Edit- I got Steem and maxYMiser running last night and poked around a bit. I am looking into more of the the tutorials that is available.
 
 
210769
Level 25 Chipist
FADE
 
 
 
post #210769 :: 2025.02.12 7:10pm
  
  YQN liēkd this
There are other trackers that support the DMA/68k effects, like TTrak. Nobody ever talks about TTrak

There’s also SoundTracker DMA for Amstrad Plus, which uses its built-in stereo DMA for sound. Currently you can’t import samples, but I’m in an email conversation with someone who’s making a converter in the form of a Python script
 
 
210784
Level 18 Chipist
retrokid104
 
 
 
post #210784 :: 2025.02.13 7:28am
  
  Unconventional and Stupe liēkd this
who up maxing they mizer
 
 
210817
Level 28 Chipist
KungFuFurby
 
 
 
post #210817 :: 2025.02.13 8:09pm
  
  YQN and Stupe liēkd this
I happen to be one of those users... well, at least for submitting a song made through it. https://battleofthebits.com/arena/Entry/Let%27s+maxYMise+The+Music%21/30080/
 
 
210845
Level 18 Chipist
Stupe
 
 
 
post #210845 :: 2025.02.14 8:18am
  
  Unconventional, YQN and damifortune liēkd this
@YQN- Maybe it's true that the users just aren't here for it- although I wonder if that places cart before horse- when AY/YM entries are thoroughly generalized, there's no incentive to learn at Atari-specific tool, much less install an emulator and start learning about MaxYMizer's unique paradigms. For better or worse (well, hopefully better) we have a lot of eclectic musicians who will want to try and bag every format possible. It's my feeling that enough of them will probably take to MaxYMizer and make that a healthy corner of the site soon enough. It is one more piece of software to install, but FWIW I find Hatari to be wonderfully easy; lightweight and "just works." As a semi-n00b linux user I frequently throw up my hands when installing random software, so I imagine Hatari wouldn't be a stumbling block to many other than mental.

Part of my consideration in bringing this up is also my observation, (although maybe slightly myopic,) that the really active part of the YM scene away from BotB is MaxYMizer-centric. Sure, it's not every day that stuff is getting released, but compos and demoparties like Sillyventure are revealing some really technical music from various composers throughout the year, as compared to many of the systems in our formats list which are present more as ocassional curiosities. I could be seeing it backwards, as perhaps those compos represent most of the bandwidth available to STe. But I think it would be cool for this community to extend a tendril in that direction.

@FADE- If it were to be called "STe Format" then TTrak could be rolled in as well. Or any number of STe trackers. .MODs would be a bit irrelevant... the bar could be usage of the YM.

An even better supporting example has occured to me- we now have a Gameboy Advance format, which is practically nothing but Gameboy+DMA... and for this we essentially have 2 trackers, one of which is mothballed and the other of which is promising but in development. I know from some experience that taking advantage of "mixed" GBA sound is frustrating. The STe is surely the GBA to the 520 ST's DMG. But for mixed STe audio we have a fantastic, enthusiastically developed and proven tool- more than one, as FADE hastens to add. I feel that, not only providing precedent, the GBA format comparitively spotlights the depth and potential of YM+DMA
 
 

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