Todo-List:

snibbe [X]

h.

[This n00b ashamed of what written. - BotB]

🚜

Test failed.

Noice

[x] 24kmod
[x] MSGS
[x] MT-32
[x] s3xmodit
[x] Amiga MOD

[?] OpenMPT
[?] Allgear

4 sure:

[0] 0cc
[x] allwildgear
[O] Mary–O's panties
[m] midi

Un sure:

[] OpenMPT

I wont make a to do list cuz i cant finish it lol, but i will join spring traX for sure >:)

i heard a snibbe track is gonna win this one so i'll naively throw my hat in that ring

It's time to go big or go home:

[?] allgear
[x] Amiga MOD
[?] MIDI
[nope] 8k
[nope] 16k
[x] 24k
[?] MPT
[?] modit
[?] mt-32 (maybe)
[nope] sunvox (maybe)
[?] wildchip

I'm sure not all of these I'll do but this my dream todo list here

EDIT: okay I have had like 0 time for this and music is at all time low for me

[x] mt32

lets FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[] allgear (already got a collaborator for this one)
[] mptm (already got a collaborator for this one)
[] mt-32 (WELL i just learned how to mt-32 so let's freaking goooo)
[] renoise (my new favorite program)
[] s3xmodit (my old favorite program)

those are the priorities. lots of other tempting things here tho...

Very good list!!
Excited to do MT-32 and MIDI of course, but maybe I'll have time to do a format I am not comfy with this time.

OH and for those who havent been in on the MT32 OHBs: I will do hardware renders for ya (^^

new account so uhh. everything. i will do everything

jeez there are so many things on this list that i want to do, i'm gonna have to prioritize hard if i want to come close to tackling this list! (this is a good thing obviously)

edit: lol i got One thing done, life got a bit in the way there 😓

priorities looking like:
pxtone [ ]
renoise [ ]
mt32 [ ]
mptm [X]
0cc [ ]
classic DOS module [ ]
midi [ ]
8k [ ]
16k [ ]
24k [ ]
amigamod [ ]
allgear [ ]

[This n00b ashamed of what written. - BotB]

RIP defflemask.

I hope I won't miss this one too. It's been a while.

the great thing about having mptm and s3xmodit in the same battle is that they're basically the same format

Hmm... this is tempting...

i might add more l8r, but here my formats!

amiga mod [ ]
bytebeat [ ]
klystrack [ ]
batol art [ ]
8k [ ]
vcv [ ]

2-do:

batol art [X]

maybe a music format if i get to it? who knows [ ]

MSGS MIDI [ ! ]
ALLGEAR [ ! ]
WILD CHIP [ ! ]
0CC [ ! ]
REnOISE [ ]
S3XMODIT [ ! ]
kmods [[ ] [ ] [ ]]
MODPLUG [ ! ]
Gameboy [ ] LSDJ im going in mafoff

I will commit to making attempts with these foramnts.
of course mix battle art as well.

about ntrq (missing information in the lyceum): which emulators are recommended? i tried fceux, but it uses a kind of compressed .sav format, and doesn't open those 8kb .sav demos from ntrq...

(i think i'm not going to list formats as well since i'm about to try something on all of them, probably not submitting those i really struggle)

Hello, nitrofurano!

I recommend to use one of three emulators, named as, Bizhawk, Mesen, or puNES: TASVideos' website host a table of emulators' performance against accuracy tests, and currently the three aforementioned emulators: Scores the maximum points the combination audio processor tests they were subjected at, can give! Here are hyperlinks to either their official repositories or websites' download pages:

Bizhawk:
https://github.com/TASVideos/BizHawk/releases/

Mesen:
https://mesen.ca/

puNES:
https://github.com/punesemu/puNES/releases

Mesen also is distributed as a libretro core, which may be downloaded for use in the Retroarch emulator front-end, available for many host systems and homebrew-enabled video game consoles! One may download a Retroarch emulator front-end for libretro cores for, from the web page this hyperlink goes to:
https://www.retroarch.com/?page=platforms

The result of the aforementioned accuracy tests are displayed in the article the next hyperlink leads at:
http://tasvideos.org/EmulatorResources/NESAccuracyTests.html

Cheers!

Hello, Oli!
and well...
- puNES uses .pns as savestate file (i was looking for one that could support 8kb .sav files, as (almost) mentioned at the lyceum (almost, because .sav from Fceux is incompatible) )
- Mesen crashes on Wine: (Unhandled exception 0xe0434352 in thread 9 at address 7B032F82. Do you wish to debug it?)
- BizHawk seems to run on Mono (a.k.a. .net, i guess) runtime, and crashes when opening
perhaps older emulators could be better?

i use nestopia for ntrq

The 8kb .sav files bundled in the release NTRQ archive are a dump of the SRAM sector of memory in a NES game, which is also where the data of a NTRQ project resides; savestates are a dump of the whole memory- which includes the SRAM sector of it, and may be stored in a custom container file with an emulator or format-specific header; savestates aren't distributed in the NTRQ package.

puNES stores SRAM files in the next folder path:
(System drive letter):\(users folder)\(currently logged user)\My Documents\puNES\prb\

In my case, it is this folder path:
C:\users\sandbox\My Documents\puNES\prb

In Linux, using wine, that directory may be found at this folder path:
~/.wine/drive_c/users/(currently logged user)/My Documents/puNES/prb

with the filename of the ROM loaded, and a .pbp extension, rather than a .sav one; other than the distinct extension, they are same: One can copy the file named as ntrq-example.sav in the NTRQ archive, to the aforementioned prb folder, and rename it as any of the three, ntrq.prb, ntrq_NTSC.prb, or ntrq_PAL.prb, depending on which of the three ROMs in the NTRQ package, ntrq.nes, ntrq_NTSC.nes or ntrq_PAL.nes, you do intend to use, respectively.

Mesen works well for me in Mono, by opening it with the next command:
mono Mesen.exe

The mono program may be installed via a package manager on a Linux distribution on may use; instructions for, depends on the package manager a Linux distribution may be using: May you desire to install it, please query a web search engine for instructions on.

On Arch Linux, one may use the a package manager named as pacman to, with the next command:
sudo pacman -Sy mono

Does opening it using mono rather than wine, works in the environment you are using?

Upon the first time opening it, it will ask about whether to store data in the application folder, or the user folder, defaulting to the later option: Mesen saves SRAM files with the filename of a ROM loaded, and a .sav extension, in a folder named as Saves: If one chooses for Mesen to store data on the user folder, one can find the folder where Mesen stores SRAM files in the next folder path:
~/.config/mesen/Saves

To load the example provided in the NTRQ archive with NTRQ, on Mesen, one may copy the file ntrq-example.nes in the NTRQ archive to the aforementioned Saves folder, and rename it to one of three, ntrq.sav, ntrq_NTSC.sav, or ntrq_PAL.sav, depending on which of the three ROMs in the NTRQ archive you use, then open the ROM by selecting the file; Mesen looks for the content of a SRAM file matching the filename of the ROM, when loading one in this way: If one previously loaded a ROM, it may be displayed on the emulator portion of the screen, from where one may also load it; however, upon loading a ROM using this menu, it will automatically load a savestate that by default Mesen creates when leaving a ROM, without regard of a SRAM file.

The Linux version of Bizhawk does works for me, calling the script withing the archive, after untarring it, with the next command:
./EmuHawkMono.sh

It stores SRAM files in the folder NES/SaveRAM relative to the executable: Using either, ntrq.nes, or ntrq_NTSC.nes, will create a SRAM file in the aforementioned folder, with the next filename:
NTRQ - NES Music Tracker v1.8NTSC by Neil Baldwin (PD).SaveRAM

When closing either ROM or emulator; if one uses ntrq_PAL.nes, it will create a SRAM file in, with the next filename instead:
NTRQ - NES Music Tracker v1.8PAL by Neil Baldwin (PD).SaveRAM

One may try the example NTRQ project provided in the NTRQ archive, by moving the file ntrq-example.sav in, to the previously mentioned folder named as SaveRAM, and rename it to either this filename:
NTRQ - NES Music Tracker v1.8NTSC by Neil Baldwin (PD).SaveRAM

If one intends to load that example project in any of both the ntrq.nes ROM, or the ntrq_NTSC.nes ROM in: If one intends to load the example project in ntrq_PAL.nes, ntrq-example.sav must be renamed to have the next filename, instead:
NTRQ - NES Music Tracker v1.8PAL by Neil Baldwin (PD).SaveRAM

You are welcome to share here about how making a setup for using NTRQ goes for you, and also to ask about any regarding the process of, or otherwise, if anything, nitrofurano!

@kleeder which nestopia version you used? 1.40 uses .nst format for load/save state, and found no access to sram dumps there - no idea how to use .sav there (in the worst scenario i'm a bit concerned about depending on conversions that would affect the iteration process... :S )

@Oli thanks that i had no idea that Mesen was a mono-based emulator - so i imagine that what differs sram dumps from savestates is that savestates also stores cpu registers? thanks for all info (i need to try everything and get used to the whole process - as distro i'm using Ubuntu 20.10 mostly (and BunsenLabs quite rarely) ) - anyway, i think that would be great having all that info (perhaps getting eventually more polished as documentation, regarding all emulators supporting 8kb .sav format, progressively?) somewhere in the lyceum? (i can't remember if level 8 is enough for editing it, or perhaps we can even use an etherpad link temporarily for that)

Yes - Ideally; there currently isn't a standard data structure format specification for NES emulators's to design their way to store a savestate file; so developers of, may come with their own ways to, and are free to decide what data of the machine gets saved in, and how: Ideally; they save the whole state of a system, including the registers and memory of every processor used in a particular game, along information about the system emulated, as region, state of physical dipswitches, and so on.

A .sav file, contains a portion of the main memory in a NES or Famicom system, between it's memory addresses 0x6000 and 0x7fff, inclusive, which is 0x2000 bytes long in hexadecimal, or 8192 bytes, or 8K bytes long in decimal: The 8K sector of memory between the, including, addresses 0x6000 and 0x7ff, is denominated as save RAM, or SRAM: It commonly was a RAM memory in a cartridge fed with a battery; for it to keep data stored after a system is powered off.

cant check the version rn, but youre confusing save/load state with the actual .sav file here. save/load state is .nst for every version iirc

@Oli @kleeder - updated a bit the lyceum at https://battleofthebits.com/lyceum/View/NTRQ/ (also added a weblink to that more technical comment from @Oli here)

a question: in submissions using samples, is it fine using them from bitpacks from xhb battles? perhaps we need to credit these battles?

you dont have to credit your sources but you are welcome to.

pxtone [x]

i would also be careful not to accidently reuse copyrighted samples
things seem more lenient in XHBs
but will be met with more scrutiny in a major

ah damn
*removes never gonna give you up vocal samples from snibbe entry*

[o] allgeeah

not sure if the thing i'm working on fits regular spring but i do feel that it suits 2021's pandemic-stricken spring somewhat

@Baron_Knoxburry perhaps xhb beghast page needs a reminder for hosters to please don't submit copyright contents in the bitpacks? i think that, hopefully, this would helps us a lot being safe from situations like this...

two new formats!!!

Human Voice and baby-k

\:D/

NEW todo-list

[X] baby-k

i guess would be cool having klangfreude format here as well?

todo:

renoise, lgpt, baby-k, whatever

so here is my "struggle" list (edit: deleting those i actually submitted... :D )
[] vcv (no idea how that works even with tutorials... puredata seems easier to me, maybe because its similarities to old versions of max/msp )

vcv and pd have very similar workflow so if you figure out one the other shouldn't be hard to understand the basics (though pd is less initially user-friendly than vcv)

can we please have an extension

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there are currently: 5 formats with 0 entries.
please make sure to give these underrated formats some more love.
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gonna pure data this week. i hope i'm successful in making a thing !
edit: did it. only like two weeks late heh

i too would like to humbly request an extension please

i....love....extension.....

actually why dont we go ahead and close it up early

(this is a joke, extend would be nice pls)

@kleeder there are currently: 0 formats with 0 entries. ;)

awesome! now lets get every format to 3 entries minimum!!!

in less than 3 days, not counting with "time extension"?

if extension happens, i may be able to enter another format. right now i'm kinda swamped by finals and other projects i need to cater to

if not, that's fine, there's always next year ofc and other compos!!

56

extension so poor little taely can use his meager free time to go vibes mode?

pls extend me so i can write more than 0.5 songs before this deadline. life has gotten in the way of prolificity

spring feels a bit extended this year

expand

only 136 entries??????????
this sounds like a job for: the extension (tm)

[new idea: if you submit to a format with less than x% entries compared to the total amount, you get y boons. this way we might create more interest in less common formats aka why is everyone allgearing if we have such beautiful formats like pandatracker :O

a

b

c

d

[e]xtension

f("Spring Tracks X", "add", 7, dayCounter)

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hi

where from can we find good vcvrack and munt tutorials, simple and useful enough for helping us submitting something in this week? ;) - talking about mt-32, is submitting a midi file (made from whatever editor) that plays fine on munt (mt32emu) enough, since it seems only supposed to get the audio rendering from there?

In theory, you could just submit a normal midi file that you've never even heard played on munt, and just let everyone else put it through munt. It would be unlikely to work musically as the instrument numbers are quite different, but it would be perfectly valid!

thanks! about mt32 it seems that the channel 0 isn't played - as i tried from aria maestosa, just keeping the first track empty seems enough - found that even in the lyceum here we can find a kind of "rosetta stone" of instruments ( https://battleofthebits.com/lyceum/View/Specification%20of%20General%20MIDI%20and%20Roland%20MT-32%20patches ) - now i have 6 days for finding out what vcvrack is about! :) (i can't get any sound out of that i have no idea why...)

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what if like... another extension

my evidence is, "Summer 2021 Start (June Solstice) Jun 20 10:32 pm"

man some of these entries are going unnoticed and it bothers me :(

i know! i will mass-like and (probably) comment something nice on each of these entries once voting commences let's go >:D

@kleeder very cool if we could have 56 completionists here! :)

i really wanted to make a lgpt and ntrq entry but theres no way i will make it in 1 day. i dont expect another extendong but if theres one, it would be awesome hehe
otherwise: great battle, a lot of cool entries!!

Likewise am extra weeks extension would also aid me greatly, and Lumby, and probably Vav. I would be indebted to the powers at be, if such a thing were to occur.

Another Extension would be cool, but only because spring isn't over until the 20th of June and I care about that sort of thing. It is definitely not because I wanted to try to get another song done after I upload the two I said I'd do >.>

y'all drive a hard bargain!!

1 week extension
voting until June 20th

i will make one more entry now
(well after finals but i'm almost done)

Gee bill

[x] panda

*A Wild Jredd Appears*

And makes bootleg Anamanaguchi in Famitracker 0cc...or something. HOORAY! :D

I spent so much time making my panda entry that I don't feel like I'll have enough time to make another entry that I'll be satisfied with

Hopefully you guys can enjoy my only entry tho :o

was able to squeeze an impromptu thing at the very end, wow whew!

everytime a seasonal battle comes im reminded how awful my time management is

^^^

me too i totally didn't submit anything besides shitpantse

I uh....I threw some poetry in the human voice category.

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We actually got 3 entries in every format. great job everyone!

Formats in order based on the amount of entries (from least to most if you wanna get the smol formats over with quickly)

3 - Pure Data [vanilla audio]
4 - klystrack
4 - LittleGPTracker
4 - NTRQ
5 - baby-k
5 - bytebeat
5 - Mario Pants Extended
5 - PandaTracker
5 - snibbetracker
6 - SunVox
6 - VCV Rack
7 - 16k tracker module
7 - 24k tracker module
8 - Renoise
9 - Amiga MOD
9 - PxTone
10 - 8k tracker module
11 - Human Voice
12 - Roland MT-32
15 - OpenMPT
16 - classic DOS module
16 - MSGS MIDI
17 - mix battle art
36 - *WILD_CHIP*
50 - Allgear

whoops i never submitted a 3rd entry

next year maybe

Whew! 100 percent voted! I tried to do it all in one day but couldn't hack it so I finished this morning and now my brain is melted. Amazing job guys. Wish I could have done more entries but there's always the next compo :).

I'm not sure if this mysteriously new "VOTE & GO TO THE NEXT ENTRY OF SAME FORMAT IN SAME BATTLE" button was due to the fact that I organized things for the people that vote by format and wanted to make things more convenient for them

But this is really, really handy, thank you 👀

I'll see if can manage to vote... the loose definition vote categories makes it hard to be fair.

so when's the synclisten happening? :) that's the only way i'll even have hope of voting on all of these cause i'm not gonna do it myself otherwise

I just noticed how many MT-32 entries there are and wow! That rules and makes me HAPPY. (also hell yeah of course at all the MSGS). Really excited to hear all of these. Spring Tracks has always been my favorite of the recurring majors.
_{I completely forgot to submit my VCV entry so maybe next time. Sure would be fun to have another yearly Tracks comp imho :3}

In any case, main point of posting:
Life got chaotic but I'll be back at it probably next week and I'll get all 12 of those MT-32 badboys hardware rendered!! My apologies if you DMed me for one and I still haven't done it

I may not be the most active in this community but it'd be great fun to host/cohost some part of a synclisten for this megabattle! I've got a pretty good radio voice too!

synclisten NEEDED

archived strem at https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1053322773 , was following denikras list from least to most popular, so i did:
Pure Data [vanilla audio]
klystrack
LittleGPTracker
NTRQ
baby-k
bytebeat
Mario Pants Extended
PandaTracker

might do more tomorrow

Thanks Tennisers for all that! I'll pick things up tomorrow at 2:30PM New York time at https://www.twitch.tv/sloopy_goop

! Where can I find that least-most popular list? It would save some time counting category entries ;P

it's up there in the comments a bit more but just to reiterate the remaining formats are: 5 - snibbetracker
6 - SunVox
6 - VCV Rack
7 - 16k tracker module
7 - 24k tracker module
8 - Renoise
9 - Amiga MOD
9 - PxTone
10 - 8k tracker module
11 - Human Voice
12 - Roland MT-32
15 - OpenMPT
16 - classic DOS module
16 - MSGS MIDI
17 - mix battle art
36 - *WILD_CHIP*
50 - Allgear

[This n00b ashamed of what written. - BotB]

Oh shoot, it was right there XD
thanks for the assist!

We got all the way through Renoise! Though not without some computer troubles along the way. Consequently the stream is spread across several archived videos but they start here.

Remaining formats, in order of least-most entries:
9 - Amiga MOD
9 - PxTone
10 - 8k tracker module
11 - Human Voice
12 - Roland MT-32
15 - OpenMPT
16 - classic DOS module
16 - MSGS MIDI
17 - mix battle art
36 - *WILD_CHIP*
50 - Allgear