Hello.

As I am finishing up the testing on the new OHC engine I thought I;d drop a little note --

BotB will be introducing a new BotBr class : Hostist.

Hostist pnts are earned by hosting compos!! =O

Running a compo is worth 5 pnts plus 5 pnts per entry submitted.

Hosting an OHC requires a deposit of b125 (125 boons). You only get it back if three or more BotBrs participate in your OHC. Also, b1.75 is awarded per entry.

Once the OHC engine is live and tested there will be a retro-payment from all past compos. For example, ui has hosted 95 compos with a total of 491 entries. He will receive 2930 Hostist pnts and b859.25.


So here is a good place to brainstorm other concepts around compos and boons. For instance, anewuser suggested a host could throw extra boons into a compo, offering it as a prize to the winner. We've also talked about having bets on compos which could only be placed by non-entrants/voters. Could their losses be divided to cover both BotB's payouts and a winner bonus?

Just another note --
The BotBr with teh name 'BotB' is actually the bank. When BotB's boons become less than half of all boons in the system inflation will occur. 'BotB' will artificially pad it's own wealth and costs will raise in reflection of this. I haven't actually done enough research on current BotB economics to implement this yet. The economic pool's starting value might be adjusted before this is let loose. However, all boons do currently come from and go back to 'BotB'.

=D/

the noob is back to clean this land!

anewuser, nice idea :OOO
About the back... sounds like a nice idea too :DDD we can save the BOTB economy!!... is there anyway to gain real money then!?? XDD you should think on that, so you can save yourself economy and our economy! JAJA!...

I'm a bit concerned that the format of Botb may look from the outside to be one of extreme elitism. We have voting power based on points that have reached so high for many of us, it would be very hard for a true N00b to catch up. Boons have their good points but with the new Hostist class It really gives us old timers an extra upper hand that doesn't seem necessary. If someone played in a bunch of compos they would have enough boons to start their own compos and win boons plus
points from these compos. It seems like quite an advantage. I like a lot of the ideas that have come about lately but I wish they were slightly more formed with the noobs in mind. For example I think the new class is a good idea. But why limit the new playa so he can't start an OHC? Boons could be used for little fun things like maybe colored text or something of that nature. Playas already get a lot of points for making a good tune right? Why do they need more power then the points give them? I'm not trying to put Botb down cause I LOVE it! I just don't want it to look uninviting to the newcomer who plays once and decides he'll never be Strobe.(I love his stuff too don't worry).

:D

Fair point! Could be made into less and little small points for oldtimers (more likely to have lots of boons-points by now) and more benefits for newcommers, in a way, to level out...or to even out "trade" and competition. Example: level 1 n00b vs musical wankers at ohcs and compos, the experience level gain would be 100 to 1 in favor to the n00b, and the boons spent/regarded would be little on one hand and big on the other (more points gained+more boons gained+less boons spent by "low level players" versus the opposite to old players (more points from their pool would have to be put in+less boons should be gained+more boons should be spent) This would be the opposite of fairplay, though It'll make wankers never pass another level :D (unless they play the tougher and older botbers?)

umm, maybe to level out, n00bs should be given credit? maybe use a percentage of the botber's boons in order for the ohc be set up? (in order to set up ohcs you must spent 10% of your boons no matter how many have you got and/or how old have you been) This last idea would at least divide points more equally, of the older botb losses or wins (he'll get back his HUGE 10% and the little 10% of everyone else, it'd be the same for n00bs, they'll gain HUGE 10% from the old playahs, and spent little or no boons with h[is/er] 10%) 10% might be much then :D

Though n00b is a loose term, we have musicians here who have been making music since more than 5...10 years and just because they join they are given a n00b title (we are all \o/) but when they do music, oh my...

ps: I believe it was more like setrodox's idea :s let's blame him instead :D

I have to admit, though the scoring and leveling system here is really strange, I never had a problem catching up and achieving levels, so although scoring here is still a bit mysterious to me, I don't mind it. Basically, if you show up, play, vote, participate, and so on, you'll score, even if your results aren't always great.

I'm not sure if Botb needs a leveling out system but I do agree with the percentage idea on the boons for hosting. I think it's a great idea!

Chunter, this is really helpful to me. Seeing that you have been around a little over a year and have made it to level 12. It shows that the system is set up in a fair way that will keep things fun, even if it is a bit hard to comprehend.
leveling system

@chunter - Glad to know the system has offered up an interesting user experience.

No, BotB doesn't necessarily need a leveling system. But without such BotB fails to fulfill it's destiny as a game. Games require rules. One of the great appeals of gaming is the sense of advancement, "If I just do this and this I'll get here." If a n00b wants to host a battle they'll have to work for it or know somebody willing to give them the boons to do so (pending send/receive boon feature).

The amount of boons the host gets per entry might still be set a little high. Initially, I went with b5 and then thought b1.79 was low enough. I'm willing to set it down to 99 nubs, but no further. But also, remember that BotBr's get about 25 nubs or more every time their entry is played or donloaded. (100 nubs = 1 boon)

I like the cost of b125 for hosting an ohc as it keeps n00bs from running an event they probably have no concept of in the first place. There's nothing wrong with asking newcomers to prove themselves a bit before giving them keys to the castle. The point has always been to get people in here to battle; that's the priority. We need more compos, I can't run them all, and I'd rather they be longtime BotBrs. I understand this creates a type of classism and why such an ism should be frowned upon. But, hey, it's just a game, right?

I like the 10% idea. But I think I got to flip it. How about, in order to get the Battle Pack, you have to deposit 10% of your current boons? These boons could then be redistributed according to the results. Of course, now that I think of it, there should be a cap like b50 if it's less than 10%... or not? xD

I also edited points chart on the Level Up entry --
http://battleofthebits.com/lyceum/View/BotBr+Level+Ups/

Uuurgh. I wrote this thing then lost it to a bad internet connection. Short version.

Botb is turning into a game? Cool!

b1.79 is fine 5 would be to high. The b125 for hosting seemed high to me but I see your point. Someone should play so they get the rules before hosting. I think this rule should be posted somewhere so everyone understands why it's in place tho.

Still like the 10% idea but I don't know about boons for sample packs. If someone is newer but have just enough boons to host a compo they might have friends on the outside who want to battle. But if their friend on the outside don't have any boons then they couldn't and we would loose potential brand n00bs.

BRAND N00BS!!! xD

10% of nothing == zero

So n00bs won't need any boons to get started.

puke7:

I love the complexity of the idea. Speaking about economics, it would be neat if there is an NPC that is the "tax man" that could randomly appear no more than once a month per individual user; requesting they pay 15% of their boons that ends up going into the BotB bank/economy. You could have the options, "pay" and "evade". Those with good auras will not be as good as tax evasion as those with evil auras. Successful tax evasion could be based on your aura and color ending in a 1/* chance that you'll succeed -- otherwise you are penalized b250. All money paid to the tax man goes into the BotB bank.

n00bz don't need to pay taxes until they are either level 1 or level 2; thus establishing residency of BotB.

Comments?

And if you don't log in to Botb for a long time your taxes could build on themselves, like overdo bills. The interest could raise higher and higher until when someone plays a song the boons just go directly to the "tax man"

HAH! Awesome idea. I added it to my list of potential NPCs. There are a lot of factors that could play into the chance of 'evasion' (though I think I prefer 'Run' like an RPG battle). INF and Aura could play a role. Things could get even crazier if we had "Wanted For Tax Evasion" signs. You could hire an NPC Bounty Hunter to sit and watch a certain BotB page for five minutes, if the BotBr hits it they are captured and fined.

Fines for tax evasion should be 37% of boons or b250 (whichever is larger).

...and there could be other random/stupid taxes. Like a Lurker Tax for BotBrs that haven't gained any non-daily-playa-pnts in over a month? They'd just need to comment or submit or vote once a month. Would make more sense when the site is more active.

Could taxes/fines put you in the red (negitive boons)? I'm thinking not, as it could get discouraging for people who don't want to dedicate their lives here. Although, compounding the taxes if they haven't logged in months is kind of crazy. You can't just add on 25% per month that their out. Perhaps each month back the tax could be 1/4 what it was for the more recent month. Example: 25% 31.25% 32.8125% 33.201125% (five months away) 33.298711% ..and as you can see it kind of tops out in a way there.

Perhaps paying taxes could start at the same level where BotBrs begin to appear in the 'Mighty BotBr' box next to BotBr profiles. Right now BotBrs only appear in htat list if they are level 4 or higher. I've been thinking about raising it, but maybe level 5 is high enough.

sc:

Yeah. I agree. If a user doesn't log on within a month, they should automatically be deducted 25% of their boons to the "tax man" or BotB bank.

puke7:

I think users should be able to get "into the red" but there's a cap at like -2000 boons. The only problem I see with that is that you'd have to make sure that once a user is "in the red" that they are only being charged like *% of 1000 boons per fine or tax. That way the math doesn't break and they don't get hit really hard otherwise.

I think we shouldn't go too crazy about taxes right now until we really figure out what works. However, I think more fines should be in order for those types of things.

Level 5 sounds pretty good for when taxes start.

Also, you could give BotBrs tax exempt status for a year if they lobby puke7 or Baron Knoxburry a tax deductible donation/lobbiage of $20. ;D This donation could put the BotB back "in the black" and assure they are never charged taxes for a year. :)

How about song insurance. There could be a song thief like the hamburglar that steals your music and you can buy insurance for a certain price depending on how high you score. the instance of the burglars theft can depend on stuff like songs with a lot of plays and the burgler can sell it back to you for a crazy price unless you have insurance than you just make a claim with teh evul insurance man. This idea is not to well thought. i just actually came up with it and decided to share with you all the idea.

TristEndo: good creativity, but meh. ;D

TristEndo:
hahahahaahahhahahaahhahaah,
i would get insane if that idea got implemented =D

bumping insanely old thread to ask why there's no Hostist list in the top 10 classists

because its only puke7

i was reading the thread and didnt know it was necrophiled so i was like b125 ohc's wtf

yeah, no matter how long you've been on forums necrobumped threads can do that to you

Is that the effect of the aforementioned inflation? Giving b00ns to BotB seems a nice community service to me then, may so lead for OHB hosting to require 125 b00ns once more!

@kleeder Nobody is a latist class, but there's still a latist category on the top 10 classists page

if we ever get the hypothetical 2nd version of the top classists page that ignores whatever your actual class is & just goes by total points, that one should totally have a hostists list