Very Rare Formats II

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Level 30 Chipist
post #176915 :: 2023.09.17 5:55pm
  Viraxor, cabbage drop and DuccBoi liēkd this
so #rare
Level 14 Chipist
post #176917 :: 2023.09.17 6:15pm
rare? the developer of donkey kong country?
Level 6 Playa
post #176924 :: 2023.09.17 8:09pm
i love this and will try to submit to lgpt and maybe like DYLMWYTDW
Level 31 Chipist
post #176925 :: 2023.09.17 8:49pm
  Collidy liēkd this
oh fuck, smw and bespoke in a major
Level 10 Criticist
post #176926 :: 2023.09.17 8:53pm
  Viraxor, Collidy, a-tiny-pony, cabbage drop and damifortune liēkd this
let's see how many of these I can manage

what a way to rejoin botb, being thrown into trying new things almost exclusively
Level 31 Chipist
post #176927 :: 2023.09.17 9:13pm
it's so interesting to see which formats got in AGAIN this time. the new formats are not surprising to me. I'm surprised about double sap tho
Level 9 Mixist
post #176928 :: 2023.09.17 11:07pm
any restrictions about .vgm (like, you can stream only other formats allowed in this particular compo) or none altogether? will it make much sense to deal with popular formats contained within an unpopular format? to be or not? does he exist? :|
Level 31 Chipist
post #176929 :: 2023.09.17 11:15pm
no further restrictions afaik, so you can just do ur most favorite common chip for vgm.

but we all know that this is boring ;)
Level 14 Chipist
post #176930 :: 2023.09.17 11:25pm
do chips that are interesting like saa, ym2610, etc.
Level 25 Grafxicist
big lumby
post #176931 :: 2023.09.17 11:27pm
oh this is gonna be interesting
Level 22 Chipist
post #176937 :: 2023.09.18 1:38am
  petet, Xaser, damifortune and argarak liēkd this
i read boom map as boom bap (i.e. The Genre) and was like wtf when did they add genre as formats on botb ..........
Level 28 Mixist
post #176938 :: 2023.09.18 1:55am
  kleeder liēkd this
the glorious battle has returned! i may be a little busy but i'll try to do bespoke, tic-80, svg, pd and maybe html5 if i have any ideas
Level 11 Chipist
Max Chaplin
post #176939 :: 2023.09.18 2:09am
  VirtualMan liēkd this
Bespoke is pretty much a wild frontier now lol. There was a talk in the format request thread about VSTs but no rule was added to the lyceum.

Who is, like, in charge of the format?
Level 14 Mixist
post #176940 :: 2023.09.18 2:37am
oddly I am very excited to make something for the PDF format
Level 28 Mixist
post #176945 :: 2023.09.18 4:16am
  Max Chaplin liēkd this
@Max Chaplin i have now updated the lyceum with what i believe to be reasonable restrictions, basically prohibiting the use of external plugins/devices and python scripting. also a little bit about rendering patches
Level 18 Chipist
post #176947 :: 2023.09.18 5:10am
  Collidy liēkd this
Aw sweet, my favorite formats
Level 29 Hostist
post #176952 :: 2023.09.18 8:53am
  VirtualMan, Viraxor, Xaser, Collidy, argarak, kleeder and damifortune liēkd this
yeah, bespoke should be treated like renoise or openmpt

there's no guarantee that a donloader has the additional plugins so don't use external plugins
Level 24 Grafxicist
post #176957 :: 2023.09.18 10:57am
I’m bad at programming and also somewhat busy but if anyone wants to collab on a tic-80 entry lmk
Level 30 Chipist
post #176959 :: 2023.09.18 11:12am
i will do music for a tic80 game but have very little desire to put in programming work. if that appeals to anyone also lmk
Level 22 Chipist
post #176962 :: 2023.09.18 11:32am
  cabbage drop, argarak, Tex, Baron Knoxburry and kleeder liēkd this
I have risen from the dead to say, thank y'all for letting me bring this batol series back, I'm excited to see all these formats getting some love

Still busy with other stuff, but I should be able to do at least 1 (one) format
Level 26 Chipist
Yung Gotenks
post #176963 :: 2023.09.18 12:06pm :: edit 2023.09.19 4:53pm
anyone wanna collab on a tic80 entry? im the best at music, okay at coding (js in tic), and shit at art.
EDIT: nevermind. got an idea :)
Level 29 Chipist
post #176992 :: 2023.09.18 10:58pm :: edit 2023.11.26 8:42am
  cabbage drop, Lasertooth, Yung Gotenks, argarak, now_its_dark, Collidy, Viraxor, puke7, damifortune, kleeder and a-tiny-pony liēkd this
Aiming to gauntlet all 20 formats if I can, 40 days is plenty time to squander :)))

e: My completely reasonable and realistic checklist:

[✅] bespoke
[✅] pdf
[✅] baby-k
[✅] smw
[✅] teletext
[✅] boom
[✅] lgpt
[✅] ntrq
[✅] snibbetracker
[✅] klystrack
[✅] ted
[✅] tic80
[✅] vgm
[✅] pd
[✅] sapx2
[✅] moai
[✅] html5
[✅] ahx
[✅] svg
[✅] bytebeat1k
Level 10 Criticist
post #177111 :: 2023.09.21 8:40pm
What are the rules for Teletext rendering? Are we locked into Level 1, or can we go higher?
Level 28 Chipist
post #177135 :: 2023.09.22 9:16am
  Lasertooth, Collidy and damifortune liēkd this
I really like this premise and art. I hope I can find the time to slam out a no-conversion tool moai for it. Also gotta investigate bespoke!
Level 30 Chipist
post #177284 :: 2023.09.25 4:45pm
here is my hopeful and modest checklist:

(will do a thing)
[ ] ntrq
[ ] vgm

(might do a thing if i have time or inspiration)
[ ] lgpt
[ ] smw
[ ] snib
[ ] moai
[ ] pdf
[ ] bespoke
Level 21 Mixist
post #177291 :: 2023.09.25 9:45pm :: edit 2023.10.08 5:20pm
  Collidy and blower5 liēkd this
[x] [x] pd(f)
Level 21 Chipist
post #177296 :: 2023.09.26 8:09am :: edit 2023.09.26 8:11am

Also maybe bespoke. That looks fun.
Level 23 Chipist
post #177365 :: 2023.09.28 1:10am
  Lasertooth and DefenseMechanism liēkd this
aiming for pd and vgm
Level 23 Chipist
post #177444 :: 2023.10.01 5:39am
  gotoandplay liēkd this
doomguy collecting new weapon emoji
Level 16 Grafxicist
post #177674 :: 2023.10.08 1:28pm
  VirtualMan liēkd this
pdf is done - let's try svg *ggg*
Level 23 Chipist
post #177842 :: 2023.10.14 6:26am
  dobra and damifortune liēkd this
i might enter,,
Level 31 Chipist
post #177925 :: 2023.10.16 12:46pm
  lasersphaser, Webriprob and damifortune liēkd this
i know we already had a lot of time, but since most of these formats are rare for a reason, i wldnt mind another week... month.... ??? of entry period haha
i know i cld do more with more tiem for sure
Level 29 Chipist
post #177929 :: 2023.10.16 2:44pm
  cabbage drop, Ahornberg, lasersphaser, kleeder, Webriprob and damifortune liēkd this
I'm still gunning for all 20 formats extension or not

But yeah would be nice to have some more wiggle room, especially since I haven't gotten to tic80 or html5 yet (⁠・ั⁠ω⁠・ั⁠)
Level 29 Hostist
post #178039 :: 2023.10.20 1:36pm
  Collidy, Abraxas86, Ahornberg, Lasertooth, funute, cabbage drop, damifortune and kleeder liēkd this
2 week extension granted!
Level 31 Chipist
post #178040 :: 2023.10.20 1:38pm
  cabbage drop and damifortune liēkd this
very good. me very happi
Level 28 Chipist
post #178042 :: 2023.10.20 2:20pm
  Collidy, damifortune and cabbage drop liēkd this
it gives me joy to see people try something weird
Level 29 Hostist
post #178751 :: 2023.11.06 6:40pm
  Ahornberg, A64, kleeder, funute and damifortune liēkd this
whoops moar tiem
Level 30 Chipist
post #178752 :: 2023.11.06 7:08pm
  A64 liēkd this
let's freaking goooooo
Level 21 Mixist
post #178753 :: 2023.11.06 8:19pm :: edit 2023.11.19 3:19pm
Okay then:

[x] klystrack
[x] svg
[ ] something else????
Level 31 Chipist
post #178754 :: 2023.11.06 8:27pm
holy fucking
Level 23 Chipist
post #178761 :: 2023.11.07 12:44am
  kleeder hæitd this
oh damn, i dont have to rush now :D
might only enter vgm though,,,
Level 20 Chipist
post #178762 :: 2023.11.07 12:49am
  A64 liēkd this
bless the extension 🛐🛐🛐🛐
Level 28 Chipist
post #179039 :: 2023.11.13 11:51pm
fyi looks like someone has taken on the development of klystrack - looks like they have done a ton of stuff?
Level 29 Chipist
post #179040 :: 2023.11.14 12:24am
  puke7 liēkd this
That's klystrack-plus, it adds a bunch of new features like 4-op FM but is a fork and not compatible with the original (untested, but pretty sure). I don't think it's official and unless it gets admin blessing I'd treat it like a separate extended format.
Level 6 Chipist
post #179227 :: 2023.11.18 6:56am
  damifortune liēkd this
bit of a dumb question but are you allowed to submit more than 1 entry to this

(I apologise, I'm kinda new to posting entries :/ )
Level 31 Chipist
post #179228 :: 2023.11.18 6:58am
  damifortune liēkd this
you can post 1 entry per format. that means you can post 16 entries to this battle, if you do one for each format c:
Level 6 Chipist
post #179230 :: 2023.11.18 7:47am
Level 20 Chipist
post #179250 :: 2023.11.18 4:57pm
  kleeder liēkd this
Did this get unextended or am I missing time from a recent alien abduction?
Level 21 Mixist
post #179253 :: 2023.11.18 7:05pm
  kleeder, damifortune and tfx liēkd this
I don't think it's been unextended, so you should probably check yourself for mysterious tattoos or surgical scars you don't remember getting.
Level 28 Chipist
post #179267 :: 2023.11.19 1:47am :: edit 2023.11.26 6:40am
sap X2 ( )

gotta make sure it gets done

ah well I'll try to have it ready for the next .rar :
Level 6 Chipist
post #179268 :: 2023.11.19 2:51am
now I'm considering making a tic80 entry but I lack any ideas on what to make in it, f
Level 20 Chipist
post #179270 :: 2023.11.19 5:28am
rare formats for sale $99999 fat dollers ebay auction
Level 23 Chipist
post #179280 :: 2023.11.19 9:06am :: edit 2023.11.19 9:15am
ruh roh, the time is running out D:
idk if i will make it but we'll see

ok maybe i wont be able to churn out a song in time 😔
Level 6 Chipist
post #179325 :: 2023.11.19 11:28pm
part 2 of srb2er doesn't know how stuff works :/

so I kinda just got littlegptracker and I'm considering making an entry using it, but I have 1 question
I understand how what you put in your zip file (just the .dat files and samples), but how do I export the final track to an mp3 when I'm done?
Level 31 Chipist
post #179327 :: 2023.11.20 1:11am :: edit 2023.11.20 1:11am
  damifortune liēkd this
since that tracker has no export function, the common way to do it is to record ur desktop audio (stereo mix) using audacity or similar.
this is the case for a lot of formats here actually, because tools lack a wav export x)

edit; you can also just keep it without a render and someone else on here will do it for you, in case you don't have a proper setup for recording renders)
Level 29 Chipist
post #179375 :: 2023.11.20 12:33pm
  damifortune and kleeder liēkd this
LGPT actually does have an export function but it's tucked away under a config setting or command line flag. Check the rendering section on (Wayback link because wiki is down)

What kleeder says is also true, someone will likely come around and upload a render for you at some point if you leave it unrendered...good chance I'll end up doing it :P

(post 56)
Level 31 Chipist
post #179376 :: 2023.11.20 12:35pm
oh damn i wasnt aware, good to know lgbt has an export function :o

also damn, 56
Level 30 Chipist
post #179382 :: 2023.11.20 1:57pm
  kleeder liēkd this
wow i didn't know that either, i've been rendering peoples' entries via realtime recording like kleeder described, tysm
Level 31 Chipist
post #179584 :: 2023.11.26 6:18am
battle description say "the 16 least popular formats" while the battle clearly features 20
Level 31 Chipist
post #179588 :: 2023.11.26 8:46am
  puke7, lasersphaser, argarak, Lasertooth, damifortune, ASIKWUSpulse, funute and Blast_Brothers liēkd this
a big round of applause to funute for finishing the completionist run on this hard major and submitting an entry to EVERY FORMAT!!! AWOAOWOA
Level 21 Mixist
post #179611 :: 2023.11.26 11:37am
  cabbage drop, Collidy, puke7, funute and kleeder liēkd this
We got a nice round number of entries!
Level 29 Chipist
Heck yea, I'm glad I managed to hit each format!

For fun, here's a quick retrospective of my experience in each format, from worst to best:

20. lgpt - Looks somewhat promising in terms of features but felt hard to learn with its LSDJ-esque controls across multiple screens, sample setup, etc.
19. sapx2 - POKEY is a weird, quirky chip to work with, and RMT interface being clunky didn't help :/
18. ted - The TED chip is also weird but at least has less to deal with, and so is easier in that sense. Like sapx2, the tool (Knackaetracker or whatever it's called) being clunky did not help here.
17. bytebeat1k - Despite mostly understanding bytebeat/signal it's still tough to debug with, have to resort to trial and error basically. Writing for sizecoding especially doesn't help.
16. ahx - I like what the format offers in terms of its mix of features and restrictions, but HivelyTracker is still rough to use even with some of my modifications.
15. pd - This one looked the most foreign but was surprisingly kind of fun to work in once I started figuring things out.
14. bespoke - Also foreign looking tool but not as hard to grok, although some of the module interactions are confusing (like something about mono/stereo?).
13. moai - Meme tool, but surprisingly kinda fun to "do it wrong" with it2moai and microtones. The OpenMPT edit -> it2moai -> load in browser workflow is not the greatest, and the it2moai process isn't 100% accurate, but eh
12. baby-k - My main gripe is that speed control is global, which lends itself to writing at 1/2 speed to have finer control of each channel, but it makes sense given its no-expansion constraints. Still, a nifty tool for the ol' VIC20.
11. pdf - I mean writing LaTeX again was somehow as painful as I remember it being while being not quite as bad as I thought it would
10. svg - I like doing vector art, but I chalk this format being lower to not having that much time to work on my entry and still figuring out the ropes on Inkscape (vs. GIMP). Actually, rushing vector art sounds like a recipe for disaster (unless doing conversions). Also thought about using Squarish but figured it be better to make use of full fledged vector tooling than use tiles.
9. teletext - Was neat figuring this one out and trying to design around its constraints, and the tools are decent if not maybe a little confusing at first.
8. tic80 - Good feature set for tiny little computer, just didn't like coding in the internal editor (mainly miss vim-like editing). I know there's a way to import/export code but you don't get as close edit-refresh cycles that way.
7. ntrq - Actually Not That Bad for a NES native tracker, and despite also having LSDJ-like controls it's easier navigating around since everything is on one screen. It also helped that I made a simpler entry execution-wise.
6. html5 - Luckily I can kind of get away with doing most of the coding in JS land. Although I was working on a different page idea that would've been more interactive, but that would've involved playing around with the different Web APIs though which I did not have time for :(
5. snibbetracker - Fun set of features, but interface is slightly clunky and 6 channels feels quite a bit limiting. Also some of the features feel weird to use, like having FM but no instrument envelopes for it or having bitcrush be global rather than per channel. Was happier with how my entry for this one turned out than what I expected.
4. klystrack - Really cool set of features, marred by also slightly clunky interface and some stability issues.
3. smw - Hey, I really like making maps/levels. Getting to play around in Lunar Magic again (and general ROM hacking stuff) ended up actually being a big timesink for me hehe. Had very ambitious goals for my entry on this one, happy I managed to hit 95% of the scope here.
2. boom - Boom really scratches the map making itch for me. A lot of the Boom features are neat but also sometimes a head scratcher. This goes above smw since "3D"/FPS mapping I think is a bit more in my wheelhouse than 2D platforming. Also had some very ambitious ideas here and not enough time for the entire scope of work to implement everything, especially with learning some of the fancy Boom features, but still glad to have a mostly complete and fairly intricate Boom map. (Maybe I will finish up the map and do a full release someday...)
1. vgm - Plenty of easy to use tools for this format and lots of chip flexibility earns this format the top spot. It's no surprise this format got 22 entries while most other formats didn't even break double digits.
Level 6 Chipist
post #179702 :: 2023.11.28 12:33am
funute you madlad how?!
do gotta agree with the lgpt placement, it's painful af to use
Level 31 Chipist
post #179704 :: 2023.11.28 1:08am :: edit 2023.11.28 1:08am
lgpt and rmt both are cool tools to use imo. it's fun the more you work with them.
and for ted, you simply went with the wrong tool of choice.
I wldnt clean my car with shit if I cld use soap instead. use tedzakker next time! :D

I think I wld place klys much lower and move the other 3 up into the region of ntrq, because they are equally good(or bad).
Level 16 Chipist
post #179748 :: 2023.11.29 8:22am :: edit 2023.11.29 8:24am
  Blast_Brothers liēkd this
i hope i fucking lose
seriously though with how really amazing some entries are especially how mindblowing a few bytebeat1k ones are for example i have no confidence in how my results are going to be.
Level 30 Chipist
post #179984 :: 2023.12.02 3:48pm
  cabbage drop, lasersphaser and Tex liēkd this
humbly requesting extension of voting time
Level 29 Hostist
post #180002 :: 2023.12.02 8:37pm
  lasersphaser, cabbage drop and damifortune liēkd this
I added a week. Looks like the two sundays following that are the holiday eves. Maybe those are ok for results streams. dunno
Level 29 Chipist
post #180008 :: 2023.12.02 9:27pm
  damifortune, lasersphaser, Lint_Huffer and cabbage drop liēkd this
I'll be uploading gameplay/longplay videos for the game related entries (smw, boom, tic80) and putting them here if people wanna use them as a reference for vorting.

- Yung Gotenks - TIC GOLF

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